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Re: JAK 74W

Post by volvodspec » 15 May 2013 04:55 pm

classicswede wrote:That is exactly what I had spotted. The reason I was asking is if there is to be another run of upgraded bars I want to know if the bars will fit all models or if the early version would be excluded. I would not want to have someone end up with a part that would not fit.
all B14 versions with the upright engine mounts (pre 1984) have the swaybar like that

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Re: JAK 74W

Post by classicswede » 15 May 2013 11:59 pm

It looks like the bar would be shorter on cars of that age. Does anyone know if they are shorter?


BTW could a mod break this conversation off Andy's thread so as not to thread jack his project thread.
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by macplaxton » 16 May 2013 03:17 am

classicswede wrote:BTW could a mod break this
There are no mods! :lol:
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by volvodspec » 16 May 2013 03:52 pm

jep they are shorter and the later style arb does not fit as the mounting position sits further back.

you can convert the whole setup to the modern arb and later style engine mounts, you do need 2 M10x20 1.25thread bolts for the enginemount adaptor for that as these older B14's don't have std M10 thread in them

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Re: JAK 74W

Post by Hell Driver » 16 May 2013 06:01 pm

I'll be swapping everything anyway, I'd not realised the difference, good to see the threads thowing up some new info or at least making everyone aware of the the different designs. Important for Dai's ARB customers! More photos and progress report tonight if I have time. The thread is running behind by a couple of weeks!
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by Hell Driver » 16 May 2013 10:16 pm

After getting back from the breakers I began to plan a return trip as I'd not got the windcreen and more importantly the chrome strip around it (not the later plastic one). They are so rare that it needed to be saved! I also need a windscreen as the original has a bad wiper scratch. I'm after an early one without the blue sun strip, although they are still available at windscreen places without the sun strip (or so the computer says). I'd checked before that it was OK, just light scratches and one small area of deeper scratchs, although it has a white patch near the bottom where the lamination has failed. There was also a lot of parts inside the car to save, some of which were better the JAK's. Parcel shelf, boot carpet (which I'd failed to notice was different to all later ones untill I got home!) etc.

So I decided to practice windcreen removal at home first.

Before any internal trim removal....
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Not having done windscreens before, I went to town to try to get the dash pulled back, not actually needed but at least it got me working on stripping the car! You only have remove the metal caover plate BY the windscreen to get to the two screen clamps.

15 year old cig ends, enough to put anyone off them :lol:
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I got a bit carried away and even took the seats out before realising they were needed for the screen job.

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As I disconected any wires/switches I took photos to save head scatching on rebuilding.
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I had asked a screen fitting company to come and remove it so I could see how to do it without breaking it. Although this screen is scrap anyway I wanted to get the one in the breakers out intact.

They failed to turn up so I had a go anyway as I needed practice for the next day.

I had the genereal idea and picked up a helpfull tip from a mate who used to strip cars.

The method, (mix of advice from V3M, Haynes and others!)

1. Scrape out the old sealant/crap all the way round the external part pf the rubber seal and free it from the paintwork.
2. Inject washing up liquid into the gap you've just cleaned out (I sprayed WD40 upside down along the bottom egde where the washing up bottle wouldn't go).
3. Wait for it to soak in for 20 min or so.
3 Rub washing up liquid onto the internal part of the rubber seal (inside the car) with a finger while releasing it's 33 year bond to the paint! This is the part of the seal that has to force through and round the window opening.
4. Sit in between and on the two front seats and position your feet (with cloth on to avoid scratches), one in each corner of the screen. Get your feet right into the TOP CORNERS, not the middle or low down. This was the last minute tip which I think is important.
5. Get a wife or sum such helpfull person to hold thier hands on the outside of the screen (with cloth in case of breakage) to stop the screen crashing onto the engine block Laurel and Hardy style.
6. Gently apply pressure with the feet, watching and listening to the seal as it brakes free. Give the rubber seal time to fold round the metal lip on the car body and as this happens you can adjust feet a bit towards the centre if needed. Dont rush! Make sure pressure is even on each foot to avoid flexing the screen. The screen flexes a bit and as long as you dont bend it too much all will be well.
7. Once the top edge pops out (it will take a fair bit of force), rest it back get out and the lift it out of the car.

Simples!

It's a job I've always thought looked to hard and having seen it done the wrong way (screen cracked), dreaded doing.

Get loads of washing up liquid on it!
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Another reason the screen needed to come out. The leaking rust hole has caused major problems below...more later
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by macplaxton » 16 May 2013 10:28 pm

macplaxton wrote:
classicswede wrote:BTW could a mod break this
There are no mods! :lol:
I take that back, there are now! 340pw
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by foggyjames » 16 May 2013 11:59 pm

I pushed the one on my 81 car out 'dry' with no issues...but it's a good tip, to be cautious.

Interested to hear more about the rust...

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Re: JAK 74W

Post by MCHUDD » 17 May 2013 10:58 am

Hi all.
Great to see this car is getting a new lease of life.
I have some spare window chrome stuff Andy if your stuck.
Cheers Mark.
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by Hell Driver » 17 May 2013 08:21 pm

foggyjames wrote:I pushed the one on my 81 car out 'dry' with no issues...but it's a good tip, to be cautious.

Interested to hear more about the rust...
I was being cautious as I've seen it done in a rush, cracking the window, I expect it would have come out as long as you push evenly.


Thanks, I have almost all the bits I need, basically proper chrome fixed rear side windows, bootlid and windscreen X2 (one to go on and a spare set). The only chrome I'm after (but it's a long shot) is some of the 76/77 quater light strips, 3 door, (with the chrome edges). The later Mk1 has just a black plastic strip separating the quater light and the wind down window. They continued the chrome strip ones on all Mk1s 345s for some reason but I think they are at a different angle due to the smaller doors. Volvomania might be able to enlighten me on this?
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by foggyjames » 18 May 2013 01:27 am

I'm pretty sure the quarterlight glass is the same, so you might be in luck with 345 stuff...

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Re: JAK 74W

Post by macplaxton » 18 May 2013 03:37 pm

Hell Driver wrote:The only chrome I'm after (but it's a long shot) is some of the 76/77 quater light strips, 3 door, (with the chrome edges). The later Mk1 has just a black plastic strip separating the quater light and the wind down window.
Can I throw MY78 in the ring, Mr H?

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Re: JAK 74W

Post by MCHUDD » 18 May 2013 05:54 pm

Hi all.
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by S10NPH » 18 May 2013 06:23 pm

From this photo of my MY80 next to the MY81 345 in Ely, looks like the chrome was dropped for MY81.
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My 'MY9 has wide front gutters:
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My MY80 does not:
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I also think you may be right that 343 and 345 quarterlights are different, the angle looks less straight on a 345. I don't have my MY80 at the house at the moment, but next time I see it I will take a measurement for you to confirm. It's going for an MOT next week so I'll be going to fetch it from hibernation in the next couple of days.
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Re: JAK 74W

Post by macplaxton » 18 May 2013 07:47 pm

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