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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by Fuse » 12 Feb 2011 10:37 pm

Ride_on wrote:
Fuse wrote:Very good results for mechanical cleaning! May I ask what did you use? Wire brush disc on an angle grinder or what? I'll have some similiar stuff to do on some sections on the floor and the compressor isn't large enough for sandblasting so I'll have to do with mechanical cleaning for now.
Sandblasting ain't much good for undeseal anyway, maybe just the very thin stuff above the tank in a 360. Underseal needs to be mostly peeled + scraped with a heat gun at near burning point. The thick bits will come away very nicely in one piece but the thinner stuff has to be scraped with a thinish wood chisel. Wire brush I find is the best overall, and wire brush on angle grinder very good (but removes skin very quickly and the finger guard don't work), but only works on easy access areas.

Anyway about sandblasting, its more about storage, no mains compressor will ever supply real time air at 10cfm @ 100psi, but if you use a really small compressor it will die quickly. I used a 3.4cfm compressor to sandblast with, it worked fine until it died, even though it was rated for continuous operation (not oil free bollocks), it was about 20 years old! Now I have a 10cfm (consumption)/150psi compressor with about 100l storage. Air flow restriction is also important, and most small regulators will give you 70psi after setting them to 100psi, when you put 10cfm/100psi through them, you also goto watch union+quick fit restrictions. The standard PCL connectors will drop about 5-10psi at 10cfm, euro ones are much better.
Yeah I know, but the parts on the floor I would be sandblasting are rewelded sometime in the past and don't have original undercoat on.

It's not all about the supply but most compressors which have somewhat sensible supply to even try to sandblast large areas of a car body usually have enough storage also. Most people I know who have sandblasted their cars have told me it's pain in the ass to even try to do the job with a compressor with less than 600l/min (~20cfm) of supply because you'll have to pause too often when you run out of air. :P

Some people have built their own sandblasting equipment by using old train engine blocks and couple 5.5kW electrical motors. Cheap way if you have time to rig up things. :) Supply with those have been around 1500l/min (~50cfm) so not running out of air too quickly. :D

High pressure steam wash is also nice for undercoat removing as it doesn't warp the metal but removes pretty much everything else. These industrial companies don't charge too much money for it either. Or dry ice blasting but that's quite expensive usually.. :D
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by L14MNP » 14 Feb 2011 10:16 pm

Ride_on wrote:Well done, thats alot of work, I know how hard it is. You been doing pretty much the same as me now, although mine was in a much worse state. Just getting to undersealing the rear now, bloody stuff is pulling apart at seams. Hopefully then I can reassemble the rear and move the car back in the garage to work at the front. THEEEN mot, THEEEN spray, THEEEN B230FT. Summer oye!
Thanks mate. I don't think I am out of the woods yet though. It's going to need more welding. Just a case of where! lol. That's shitty news about your underseal, what type are you using and how are you applying? I think i will brush it on.
Keep poldding on and the list will get shorter! It will all be worthwhile in the end and you should have a nice, soild and powerful car to play in!

Fuse wrote:Very good results for mechanical cleaning! May I ask what did you use? Wire brush disc on an angle grinder or what? I'll have some similiar stuff to do on some sections on the floor and the compressor isn't large enough for sandblasting so I'll have to do with mechanical cleaning for now.
Cheers! Yeah, wire brushes in the angle grinder so far. (Pics below) For the harder to reach areas I will use a drill wire brush and something like Krust or De-ox gel. This is a time consuming way, but superior to (a hobby) sandblaster IMO. On other cars in the past I have used a heat gun/blow torch and scraper, but I hate the smell and smoke, plus you still need to go over the area with the drill/grinder afterwards.

trabitom99 wrote:Looks superb, I wish my cars had an underside anywhere near as clean as yours ... Well done for putting in all that work!

Tom
Cheers Tom, hopefully it will keep the rust monster at bay, and when I invetibaly break something I won't have to work in an oily, horrible rust in the eyes, environment. lol



OK, I've had a few days off. Been helping a mate move, sore for a few days... and just generally getting on with life, but here's the latest 8 or so hours work.

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It doesn't look much in those pics, but that is a large area. Save for a few harder to access areas and around the rear spring hangers, that is the back of the car done.
Obviously I need to address the hole in the boot floor. :lol:


Fuse, these are the wire brushes I have been using. Quite effective, but still wear down faster than I would like.
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The golden ones at the top of the picture I am yet to try. I only bought them out of desperation. (I also asked for one and was supplied two lol). I have a feeling underseal may clog them up, but they should be good for primer/rust etc.
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by Con2K » 14 Feb 2011 10:56 pm

L14MNP wrote:I didn't have anywhere to do it until i tidied up and threw loads of shit away. :lol:
The Primera? :360:

Jokes aside, nice work mate. I've been using the silverline stuff too. Just on componenets but it does wear them down. I bought a bench grinder brush attachment but it just gets caught in the safety guard and at 6krpm was lethal without that so I returned it. The finer (gold) wire brush attachments are good. They are useless with ANY dirt/ think paint etc as they clog up so much more easily. But I have noticed that they pull off some of the more stubborn rust areas compared to the twisted knot brushes. I am reluctant to try a 'branded' wire brush attachment at £20 a time. TBH my first twisted knot one has lasted all the running gear apart from the rear beam (dont have it here). I think that will kill it off.

What are the yellow ones mate? I've just got red and blue based ones...

I know it's a fiesta but this has only cost me about £22 including drill/grinder attachments I havent even used and the primer which goes far. It should see out the rest of the running gear/components tbh:
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Used, New and Used (cleaned):
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I feel the red oxide aerosol on the nuts and bolts is overkill but its going to protect them a tad. Atleast I know what I've prepped this way. Keeps the surface rust off them until I paint anyway to some extent.
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Liam - you know all about this anyway. Just sharing my experiences generally.

Keep up the good work! 8) (Love those 2 shots under the car, before and after)

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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by L14MNP » 14 Feb 2011 11:14 pm

Get out of my thread! :lol:

Parts are looking sexy in a coat of your free paint mate! - Now get on your back and do the shell! :P

The yellow brushes are something I forget the name of, Powercraft? They come in packs with flap wheels too. From Aldi. Great value - when they have them.
The better yellow one I got from John the other night when it was brand new, as Toolstation is all sold out.

Like I said when you started the restoration on your parts, all I have experience of are the Powercraft and Toolstation jobs. I can't see a £16+ quid Bosch wire wheel lasting anywhere near long enough to justify the extra £12. :lol: I just hope Toolstation get their act together and order more in. I'm off to the bay now to look around for more unbranded deals.

BTW, 6K RPM you say? I'm sure an angle grinder is more like 10K plus - and guards just get in the way. it keeps you on your toes, and a nip from it every now and then just makes you greatful for wearing thick gloves! :lol:
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by SteveP » 14 Feb 2011 11:29 pm

Bloody hell dude - you're going all out on this! Awesome!
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by Chris_C » 15 Feb 2011 10:37 am

Great to see this car getting this level of attention. I really really want a garage!
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by volvosneverdie » 15 Feb 2011 11:28 am

More good work Con and Liam.

Id never really considered "cleaning" my parts............................

Not with a high speed wire bruch anyway. :?
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by L14MNP » 15 Feb 2011 12:15 pm

Cheers boys! Positive comments make it that bit more worthwhile! :360:

I've also been collecting loads of bits ready for the rebuild, polybushes, new steering rack, brake parts, bearings etc etc. So when the time comes it can go back together as quick as possible.

If I can find what I want today I will start to buy some fun stuff too. :D
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by volvosneverdie » 15 Feb 2011 01:13 pm

L14MNP wrote: If I can find what I want today I will start to buy some fun stuff too. :D
OOh what fun stuff?

Is it it shiny things?
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by L14MNP » 16 Feb 2011 11:14 pm

^ Just this n that lol. Nothing flash, just a few bits to improve it.


Been faffing on again. John was over this afternoon and we raised the car up higher and moved the front stands. Cheers mate,

Then tonight I created some room so I can work on the O/S/F

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Cabinets were previously about a foot away from the O/S/F.

I removed everything else (running gear wise) that needs to come off. Sorted now. Just the engine left, and that is staying in.

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Can see the damage where it fell off the jack in all it's glory now. lol
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Damn straight! Although when I stuck that on I never envisaged going this far lol.

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Crossmember, subframe thing, steering rack, tie bar, bottom arm, front leg etc.

It may not look like much, but it put up a decent fight in places - espsecially the steering rack. Could have done with hands that don't have crippling pains running through them whenever I am in an awkward position tbh.

More underseal removal next time. Joy(!)
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by mrsoundcraft » 17 Feb 2011 12:27 am

great pics of your progress. worth every minute of it, got my fingers crossed I wont have to do this for a few years though.

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Post by L14MNP » 17 Feb 2011 10:57 am

Cheers dude. I meant to say, nice job on yours too. Getting some paint on the inside must have been nice!

A few people have spoken in a similar vein about what I am up to. I'm doing it before I have too tbh. I think you would be surprised what your car is hiding from you! :lol:
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by foggyjames » 18 Feb 2011 12:43 am

I've somehow totally missed this thread...and I've not read the whole thing (yet), so here are my thoughts from pages 1 and 16...

Wow...serious effort has been put in here! Good work on the underside resto. That takes some commitment...well done!

Back to page one. Two thoughts. Are you still having running problems? Way back on the first page, you mentioned removing a pack of resistors which were near the battery on the 940. Did you do that in the end? If so, you might want to reinstall them...! The turbo injectors are low impedance, so they use that resistor pack as ballast (to "convert" them to 12v, if you like). If you remove it, they'll spray more fuel than they're supposed to, and potentially burn out. Just a thought...

Second thing (also for Ride_on)...the speed sensor signal is *not* essential. You're absolutely right that it's used for idle compensation and all that crap, but it won't have a fit if it's missing. I imagine you've already figured that much out...!

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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by L14MNP » 28 Feb 2011 11:20 pm

foggyjames wrote:I've somehow totally missed this thread...and I've not read the whole thing (yet), so here are my thoughts from pages 1 and 16...

Wow...serious effort has been put in here! Good work on the underside resto. That takes some commitment...well done!

Back to page one. Two thoughts. Are you still having running problems? Way back on the first page, you mentioned removing a pack of resistors which were near the battery on the 940. Did you do that in the end? If so, you might want to reinstall them...! The turbo injectors are low impedance, so they use that resistor pack as ballast (to "convert" them to 12v, if you like). If you remove it, they'll spray more fuel than they're supposed to, and potentially burn out. Just a thought...

Second thing (also for Ride_on)...the speed sensor signal is *not* essential. You're absolutely right that it's used for idle compensation and all that crap, but it won't have a fit if it's missing. I imagine you've already figured that much out...!

cheers

James
Thanks James!

Yeah it till had running problems when it came off the road. I am hoping the addition of an injection tank, better fuel lines, a filter swirl pot and a few other things shoudl see me right.
That's a good point! I hope I didn't bin the ballast resistors lol. I will make a few changes to the looms when I refit them, and planned to go over everything. I'm certain I was running those though. i can't think what is there and what isn't at the minute.
Yep, no speed sensor, and it seems fine in that respect.

Cheers mate.



Another belated update. Had other things on lately, but still been getting some stuff done on the car. Here's what's been happening over the last week or so.


I am wanting to raise the front turrets to allow for more suspension travel.
Thanks to one of Johns scrapper GLT's I have another pair of turrets, perfect to extend mine the 2" I require. Ala Nikidev. Just not as fancy! :lol:

Ronnies ideas and keen eye came in very handy once again. I wouldn't have thought of going about it this way. Makes perfect sense though. Thanks again mate!
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Stud bar allignment FTW.
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N/S looking a little worse for wear!

These seem to be the only pics I have. Steady hands in action. lol

One side fits, just needs a little more tweeking and the turrets cleaned up (underseal) before it's welded to the car. The other side isn't as far on.



I have modified the front valance so that it is now open, instead of being a trap for water and horrible sludgy crap. De-lipped it too, so this one will never rot out. It had a bit of surface corrosion in places, but nothing serious.
I will weld some brackets to the rear of the valance and the underside of the crossmember to regain the panels strength, but leave enough room to keep the inside free from unwanted nasties.
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Here's what was hiding and happily eating it away from the inside.
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Inner arches bare metalled and painted. No nasty surprises hiding there.
Lips also trimmed right back for wheel clearance.
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The seats and carpet etc are out to allow interior access. This was surprisingly complicated.
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One side of sound deadening removed. The reasons for taking this off are twofold. To see what if anything lurks beneath, and when I do fit a couple of buckets and strip the car out all I will need to do is give the floor a quick rattle can.
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Will weld the bungs up. As can be seen, one of them has diseased the floor pan.

I think that's about it. I really should update more frequently. lol


I have done my favourite trick of bare metalling further sections of the underside and then not being arsed to paint them, no doubt they will need another quick pass with the wire wheel to bring them back up to spec for painting. I was planning to have the underside as good as finished this past weekend, but my hands have been really sore, I couldn't be bothered to crawl about on the floor and it's been freezing. lol
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Re: Turbo 360 - underside resto

Post by volvosneverdie » 28 Feb 2011 11:26 pm

Those turrets look awesome man. Ron ftw.

This is gonna be a big car when its all done.
Should be on display at shows and whatnot when its not kicking its arse swedgeways.
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