Christmas present to my self

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sven360
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by sven360 » 20 Dec 2010 11:41 pm

Probably-unknown TBH.

When I had my road rally MK2 with B200 it couldn't live with our lads MK1/2 with this motor in.

It used to rev to 7250 no prob.

Try that with a B200-they don't like it.

Best thing to do is do some events once you can ring it's neck it's time for more oomph.
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by roadrallyliam » 20 Dec 2010 11:55 pm

sven360 wrote:Probably-unknown TBH.

When I had my road rally MK2 with B200 it couldn't live with our lads MK1/2 with this motor in.

It used to rev to 7250 no prob.

Try that with a B200-they don't like it.

Best thing to do is do some events once you can ring it's neck it's time for more oomph.

got a 12 car in jan. i wee see how it goes. depending on the weather mite need snow tyres lol.

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by Chris_C » 21 Dec 2010 01:39 am

I did a 12car a fortnight ago in 4" of snow. On T1R's ;)

5th out of 9, but was the first time my nav had ever seen an event :lol:
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'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by volvosneverdie » 21 Dec 2010 06:10 pm

Chris_C wrote:I did a 12car a fortnight ago in 4" of snow. On T1R's ;)

5th out of 9, but was the first time my nav had ever seen an event :lol:
I wish youd had a cam with sound running chris.
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by SteveP » 22 Dec 2010 12:23 am

To be honest I'd not bother - the B19 doesn't really give any more power, its just a bit stronger... I never found my B19 to rev any better than a B200 either. Besides, its not like the B200 is weak - far from it! It's only done low mileage so I'd keep on with it. If you are keen on engine swaps you might as well put a 2.3 in while you're at it rather than another 2.0!
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by Chris_C » 22 Dec 2010 12:45 pm

Depends what level of blue book ignoring we are at ;) Then again, you'd have to know what you were looking for to know it wasn't a 2.3...
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
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Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by roadrallyliam » 22 Dec 2010 06:55 pm

Wat is the crack with regards to this. Wat does the blue book say you can do? Can't find my copy. If it is injections does it have to stay injection?

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by Chris_C » 22 Dec 2010 07:54 pm

Looks like I was wrong, I thought there was a 1999cc limit... but..
The Blue Book wrote:Engine
18.2. Vehicle engines must have:
18.2.1. A maximum of four cylinders.
18.2.2. A maximum of two carburettor chokes (two
single or one double).
18.2.3. A maximum of one camshaft per bank of
cylinders.
18.2.4. Engines with more than one camshaft per bank
of cylinders may be used providing that they were
originally fitted with fuel injection and that the fuel
injection system complete with plenum chamber and
throttle body is retained unmodified.
18.2.5. Forced induction is not permitted.
18.3.1. Fuel injection may be fitted where it was
standard equipment by the manufacturer for that
engine type and where the original plenum chamber
and throttle body is retained for that engine type.
18.3.2. A standard Wankel unit will be considered as
three cylinders – twin Wankel units are prohibited.
18.3.3. Engines must comply with the silencing levels
G.11.1, J.5.17 and 4.1 and have induction air filter
elements fitted that ensure the vehicle complies with
noise regulations J.5.17.
Online blue book http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentvi ... ticle=1101 here to bore you with ;)
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by roadrallyliam » 22 Dec 2010 09:58 pm

Chris_C wrote:Looks like I was wrong, I thought there was a 1999cc limit... but..
The Blue Book wrote:Engine
18.2. Vehicle engines must have:
18.2.1. A maximum of four cylinders.
18.2.2. A maximum of two carburettor chokes (two
single or one double).
18.2.3. A maximum of one camshaft per bank of
cylinders.
18.2.4. Engines with more than one camshaft per bank
of cylinders may be used providing that they were
originally fitted with fuel injection and that the fuel
injection system complete with plenum chamber and
throttle body is retained unmodified.
18.2.5. Forced induction is not permitted.
18.3.1. Fuel injection may be fitted where it was
standard equipment by the manufacturer for that
engine type and where the original plenum chamber
and throttle body is retained for that engine type.
18.3.2. A standard Wankel unit will be considered as
three cylinders – twin Wankel units are prohibited.
18.3.3. Engines must comply with the silencing levels
G.11.1, J.5.17 and 4.1 and have induction air filter
elements fitted that ensure the vehicle complies with
noise regulations J.5.17.
Online blue book http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentvi ... ticle=1101 here to bore you with ;)


so a single 48 would be ok?

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by sven360 » 22 Dec 2010 11:02 pm

On a 8v,yes.

Twincam will need factory fit injection.
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by roadrallyliam » 24 Dec 2010 01:04 pm

sven360 wrote:On a 8v,yes.

Twincam will need factory fit injection.

do you think a single 48 would be better that the standard injection?

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by filthyjohn » 24 Dec 2010 04:30 pm

Definitely. No possibility of tuning the stock injection either.
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by Ride_on » 26 Dec 2010 01:55 am

filthyjohn wrote:Definitely. No possibility of tuning the stock injection either.
Could you not just put on a bigger throttle body and matching manifold from say a 940 turbo, keep the 360 injectors and AMM? Or are they the same size? Bigger diameters are usually easier to get bigger CSA than multiple small diameters.
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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by filthyjohn » 26 Dec 2010 10:59 am

The Blue Book wrote: 18.3.1. Fuel injection may be fitted where it was
standard equipment by the manufacturer for that
engine type and where the original plenum chamber
and throttle body is retained
for that engine type.
'87 Nissan Sunny
'95 945 LPT
'90 340 3dr
'87 360 GLT
'87 765 TIC
'75 Manta A
'70 Rover P5 V8
'67 MGB GT
'62 amazon 2dr

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Re: Christmas present to my self

Post by Chris_C » 26 Dec 2010 03:48 pm

The blue book is there soley to stop all of us having rally cars to rally in.

Hence why Fake is as she is ;) Apart from the exhaust, I don't think there is much more I can do to get a rally car sound :lol:
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast

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