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Well, I went to another autotest yesterday, this time in a grass field, and it had been raining for a fair time before we got there (wasn't raining during the day though).
Format this time was 6 tests, 3 in the morning, then lunch, then 3 in the afternoon, and you had 3 attempts at each one (so 9 runs in morning, 9 in the afternoon!). Slowest time of the 3 gets dropped, so you can only make one bad run per test
Classes were fwd production under 4m long (so mini's, mk1/2 golfs etc), fwd production over 4m long, rwd production, 4wd production and sports cars. The only ones that went into sports were my mates mazdaspeed supercharged Eunos, and a turbo'd mk2 mr2.
I'd not driven on wet grass before (well, not in any kind of competition type thing anyway...) which showed, on my first run I lost momentum 5 times, rear wheels spinning and not getting anywhere, putting in times around a minute more than the others. Considering the best time for that test was 2mins, it wasn't looking good for our plucky young hero Luckily the style of the tests enforced a passenger to navigate you round the course, and my passenger had driven wet before, and started telling me some of the tricks. He was also in the rwd class in an e30 325, and I was navving him alternately, plus we are good mates, so helping each other was going to happen!
Second round of the first tests, and using some of the magic tricks (drop tyre pressures to ~20psi at the rear, and using the handbrake as a cheap slipper ) my times plummeted. Finished at lunch somewhere around 5th or 6th out of 12, and either 2nd or 3rd rwd behind an X1/9 and the turbo MR2 (didn't realise he was in a different class at this point). Other rwd there being the Eunos, and a gaggle of Wessex MC BMW's, the above 325, an e30 318i and my housemates e36 320 (which was being driven by him and Nick_C for those who remember Nick) Around this time, the e36 did what it does best, and broke, it couldn't deal with being hooned by 2 people constantly, and I coolant was making a bid for freedom. The silicon hose fix I'd done on my top hose on Sat worked perfectly, and held up well all day.
So, onto the afternoon tests after lunch and laughing at (sorry, helping) the e36. Tests this time were the same as the early three, but run in reverse. Things started ok, I was 10 seconds off the pace on the first test, so I went at the 2nd test like a bat out of a toasty place. Fastest time had just been set by a mk2 golf gti at 39 seconds, which as it was fwd I wasn't expecting to get near. I got a good launch, no wheel spin, and kept accelerating through the first slalom, made the donut, and booted it down the finish straight slalom. Maybe booted it a bit too hard, as the back end was only just in time with the cones on the way down and I entered the finish gate at around about 45 degrees off, but I didn't clip the cones on the way in. Marshall looks at me expectedly, so I told him I hadn't clipped the cone my side, and it was still upright. He kindly tells my that whilst the cone may be on my b pillar on the drivers side, my front wheel wasn't past it on the passengers and the clocks still running. ARGH. About 7-10 seconds lost there, overall test ended up being 46seconds. Wow
So, I got bored of going quite so slowly, and booted it for my second run. 3secs off fastest time for the 4th test overall, THE fastest time for the 5th test (the one I described above, next two runs I got the 39 secs, then I finished off with a 38sec) and not too bad on the 6th test.
Overall... well, provisional results last night showed I was 4th overall, and first in the RWD class I really am going to have to do something with the steering though, 4.5 turns lock to lock is waaaay too much when slaloming or doing dumbells, and in the afternoons runs when I was trying I got to the point I'd come off of a set of the three tests and need a few minutes before I could steer again. I've never really had that trouble before, not sure whether it's the tightness of the tests or the grass. I did take my camera, but didn't have time for any pics, hopefully someone else did.
Format this time was 6 tests, 3 in the morning, then lunch, then 3 in the afternoon, and you had 3 attempts at each one (so 9 runs in morning, 9 in the afternoon!). Slowest time of the 3 gets dropped, so you can only make one bad run per test
Classes were fwd production under 4m long (so mini's, mk1/2 golfs etc), fwd production over 4m long, rwd production, 4wd production and sports cars. The only ones that went into sports were my mates mazdaspeed supercharged Eunos, and a turbo'd mk2 mr2.
I'd not driven on wet grass before (well, not in any kind of competition type thing anyway...) which showed, on my first run I lost momentum 5 times, rear wheels spinning and not getting anywhere, putting in times around a minute more than the others. Considering the best time for that test was 2mins, it wasn't looking good for our plucky young hero Luckily the style of the tests enforced a passenger to navigate you round the course, and my passenger had driven wet before, and started telling me some of the tricks. He was also in the rwd class in an e30 325, and I was navving him alternately, plus we are good mates, so helping each other was going to happen!
Second round of the first tests, and using some of the magic tricks (drop tyre pressures to ~20psi at the rear, and using the handbrake as a cheap slipper ) my times plummeted. Finished at lunch somewhere around 5th or 6th out of 12, and either 2nd or 3rd rwd behind an X1/9 and the turbo MR2 (didn't realise he was in a different class at this point). Other rwd there being the Eunos, and a gaggle of Wessex MC BMW's, the above 325, an e30 318i and my housemates e36 320 (which was being driven by him and Nick_C for those who remember Nick) Around this time, the e36 did what it does best, and broke, it couldn't deal with being hooned by 2 people constantly, and I coolant was making a bid for freedom. The silicon hose fix I'd done on my top hose on Sat worked perfectly, and held up well all day.
So, onto the afternoon tests after lunch and laughing at (sorry, helping) the e36. Tests this time were the same as the early three, but run in reverse. Things started ok, I was 10 seconds off the pace on the first test, so I went at the 2nd test like a bat out of a toasty place. Fastest time had just been set by a mk2 golf gti at 39 seconds, which as it was fwd I wasn't expecting to get near. I got a good launch, no wheel spin, and kept accelerating through the first slalom, made the donut, and booted it down the finish straight slalom. Maybe booted it a bit too hard, as the back end was only just in time with the cones on the way down and I entered the finish gate at around about 45 degrees off, but I didn't clip the cones on the way in. Marshall looks at me expectedly, so I told him I hadn't clipped the cone my side, and it was still upright. He kindly tells my that whilst the cone may be on my b pillar on the drivers side, my front wheel wasn't past it on the passengers and the clocks still running. ARGH. About 7-10 seconds lost there, overall test ended up being 46seconds. Wow
So, I got bored of going quite so slowly, and booted it for my second run. 3secs off fastest time for the 4th test overall, THE fastest time for the 5th test (the one I described above, next two runs I got the 39 secs, then I finished off with a 38sec) and not too bad on the 6th test.
Overall... well, provisional results last night showed I was 4th overall, and first in the RWD class I really am going to have to do something with the steering though, 4.5 turns lock to lock is waaaay too much when slaloming or doing dumbells, and in the afternoons runs when I was trying I got to the point I'd come off of a set of the three tests and need a few minutes before I could steer again. I've never really had that trouble before, not sure whether it's the tightness of the tests or the grass. I did take my camera, but didn't have time for any pics, hopefully someone else did.
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'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
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Sounds like you had a great day Chris
Have you thought of fitting a PAS rack (without the power assistance)? That's a few turns less lock to lock.
Look after the track rods though
Tom
Have you thought of fitting a PAS rack (without the power assistance)? That's a few turns less lock to lock.
Look after the track rods though
Tom
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I'm turning into a PAS-opponent myself (parts).
But I'm guessing you can adapt the rack so you can use the "quickness" of it without actually having to pump it full of fluid?
Tom
But I'm guessing you can adapt the rack so you can use the "quickness" of it without actually having to pump it full of fluid?
Tom
343 GL Touring B14.1E CVT (155) 98000kms 1980 (sold)
343 L Junior B14.3E MT4 (155) 229000kms 1981 (scrapped)
343 DLS B19A MT4 (155) 167900kms 1982
360 GL Injection B200F MT5 (231) 348598kms 1988 (scrapped)
360 GLT B200F MT5 (302) 230000kms 1988
343 L Junior B14.3E MT4 (155) 229000kms 1981 (scrapped)
343 DLS B19A MT4 (155) 167900kms 1982
360 GL Injection B200F MT5 (231) 348598kms 1988 (scrapped)
360 GLT B200F MT5 (302) 230000kms 1988
It might have to be PAS. I'm currently chasing down another quickrack lead... they are growing by the day . If this one works, it will be pas though, but less than 3 turns.
EDIT: Hmmm, I'm currently remember what was said the other day about PAS racks not fitting on 1.7's, I'll have to get under the car and have a look.
EDIT: Hmmm, I'm currently remember what was said the other day about PAS racks not fitting on 1.7's, I'll have to get under the car and have a look.
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
Works with 240 so should work with 360, imo.trabitom99 wrote:I'm turning into a PAS-opponent myself (parts).
But I'm guessing you can adapt the rack so you can use the "quickness" of it without actually having to pump it full of fluid?
Tom
But I tought there was not very big difference in steering wheel turns with PAS unit and without?
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PAS is 3 turns lock-to-lock. Non-PAS is 4.
Congrats Chris. Did I mention coming second in the DAF autotest? My first event of this nature, and a fairly gentle start...but still
cheers
James
Congrats Chris. Did I mention coming second in the DAF autotest? My first event of this nature, and a fairly gentle start...but still
cheers
James
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...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
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'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
theres an auto test down my way every so often, last one was 1 or 2 weeks ago. always in the same field. never been as i never knew about it. but nto knowing the jist of the idea doesnt help,( anyone help me there??)
and also alot of the vehicles that turn up are either kit cars or custom built ofroad buggys and land rover trialers..
I'd love to take the volvo as im sure it'd fair well
and also alot of the vehicles that turn up are either kit cars or custom built ofroad buggys and land rover trialers..
I'd love to take the volvo as im sure it'd fair well
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Sounds a bit 'off road' for a 300, that. Most autotest are 'cone killing' type events. 300s will fare ok on the faster end of the autocross/autokhana/autotest spectrum. We're fairly likely to get abused by Minis and the like on really, really tight stuff.
We'll get Chris onto PAS yet
cheers
James
We'll get Chris onto PAS yet
cheers
James
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...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
You'd be surprised guys, a lot of autotests you don't get mini's anymore (the only ones that still do autotest are the mini "specials", i.e. the shortened wheelbase floorpans). The fact the non PAS 300's have such a turning circle means they will kill a PAS 300 on a test, it's one of the major advantages I have, even though I've been told my technique on the steering wheel can be called "hamster wheeling"
Kaos, autotests in general are a load of cones set out either in a car park or on a field, and you have to drive a set route though them. You get timed, and a x second penalty for each cone you hit. I have this weekends route book somewhere, but they are pretty easy. Russ Swift (and in the previous 5 years or so, his son) won 99% of autotest trophies for a long time, it's where his driving skills come from. Youtube provides some awesome watching, though most arn't anywhere near as hardcore as you'll see on there!
You'll also find that the word "autotest" is a way of making a blindingly fast event legit,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z64FemCmMho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Hk2bUI ... re=related
Dubious of calling that an autotest myself!
Some good watching....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS35BoDl ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXYLNxgUalY
Ninja skills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU966ADl ... re=related
And the mini specials....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wI0nqC5 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U7NktN ... re=related
It's cheap motorsport at the fun end, some clubs go a bit silly and run cars that are more highly prepped than most stage cars, but this weekend cost me a tenner, and you improve car control no end.
Kaos, autotests in general are a load of cones set out either in a car park or on a field, and you have to drive a set route though them. You get timed, and a x second penalty for each cone you hit. I have this weekends route book somewhere, but they are pretty easy. Russ Swift (and in the previous 5 years or so, his son) won 99% of autotest trophies for a long time, it's where his driving skills come from. Youtube provides some awesome watching, though most arn't anywhere near as hardcore as you'll see on there!
You'll also find that the word "autotest" is a way of making a blindingly fast event legit,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z64FemCmMho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Hk2bUI ... re=related
Dubious of calling that an autotest myself!
Some good watching....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS35BoDl ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXYLNxgUalY
Ninja skills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU966ADl ... re=related
And the mini specials....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wI0nqC5 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U7NktN ... re=related
It's cheap motorsport at the fun end, some clubs go a bit silly and run cars that are more highly prepped than most stage cars, but this weekend cost me a tenner, and you improve car control no end.
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
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I wondered if someone would notice that FJ
Jani... if only mate Though if you could rush the box a bit, and were a lot lower to the ground.... Custom autotest 300 anyone
Jani... if only mate Though if you could rush the box a bit, and were a lot lower to the ground.... Custom autotest 300 anyone
'89(G) 340 GLE B172k
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast