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R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 09:01 am
by Bossie
I have purchased a 1.7 as a small quick & dirty side project.
Will all be very low budget (mad camber, low, thick oil in shocks, gutted, short final ratio, welded diff etc). Will use the car for some drifting, spirited driving and maybe a track day if the race car is down.
Wanted to fit some 40mm R1 carbs I have together with a hotter cam (regrind) and an exhaust header. (The car will probably run on E85)
Which jets do the F7P guys use/run in their bike carbed setups? Where can different sizes be obtained?
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 10:39 am
by filthyjohn
The thing about R1 carbs is that they're like an SU carb, in that they have a sliding tapered needle metering the fuel. It means they supply pretty much the right amount of fuel according to how much vacuum they experience from the engine, keeping the mixture somewhere near right in a vast range of applications. I have R1s on my 2.0 vauxhall XE and they work great, returning around 30mpg. That's in a <900kg car though.
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 11:07 am
by Bossie
Aha, wasn´t aware of that. So you have not rejetted them?
Sounds great, if there that easy to setup, hmm
Nice mileage! Gutted 340 will probably weigh almost the same. Maybe just a bit more. C20XE however is known for it's efficiency, B172 not really

Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 11:17 am
by samueljon
sorry to pigy back your thread,
How hard are these to fit and get running properly on the valver engines??
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 11:23 am
by Chris_C
filthyjohn wrote:The thing about R1 carbs is that they're like an SU carb, in that they have a sliding tapered needle metering the fuel.
But SU's still have something like a squillion needles to get good running which I'm guessing Yamaha never intended on making as they were soley used on 1 bike? Have you had a wideband on the manta dude?
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 12:11 pm
by filthyjohn
Chris_C wrote:But SU's still have something like a squillion needles to get good running which I'm guessing Yamaha never intended on making as they were soley used on 1 bike? Have you had a wideband on the manta dude?
Never had the chance, but I can report no symptoms of bad mixture, no hesitation/smoking/run-on/pinking etc, just super smooth power delivery.
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 12:15 pm
by volvosneverdie
Whats a wideband?
(serious question of the day)
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 12:17 pm
by filthyjohn
Wideband lambda sensor. Lets you know the air/fuel ratio in numbers so you can monitor it and make adjustments accordingly. As opposed to older narrowband systems which can only say rich or lean, without quantifying it.
Re: R1 carb jetting
Posted: 26 Jan 2011 12:19 pm
by volvosneverdie
filthyjohn wrote:Wideband lambda sensor. Lets you know the air/fuel ratio in numbers so you can monitor it and make adjustments accordingly. As opposed to older narrowband systems which can only say rich or lean, without quantifying it.
Ah. Helpful.
Cheers.
Nearned something.