turbing a 360

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Logan360
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turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 23 Aug 2013 12:36 am

Hey guys. before i jump into planning everything to turbo my old girl, i was wondering what issues people have had doing to to a B200E? its an 86. i have the oil and water lines sussed.

it will be running a 13G off a B200FT. it came with manifold.

A. will it clear the engine mount bracket? it'll be turbo side up.
B. will the exhaust hit the brake booster? what if i use a sharp curve exhaust?
C. What is standard boost pressure on those turbo's?
D. has anyone blown their car up on std psi?
E. i won't be running an intercooler. i will be going straight ali pipe with maybe a curved plate to suck cold air up from both radiator fans. that should cool enough yes?

all help much appreciated guys.
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Nimminz » 23 Aug 2013 08:27 am

I'm also doing this conversion soon - using the TD04-13c and LH2.4 management from a B200FT

A. It will clear but might knock when the engine moves
B. Don't think so, if its the same manifold as mine it sits the turbo pretty low. Although some sort of heat protection might be required for the brake resevoir/lines
c. Not sure on your 13g, my 13c is 7psi standard
D. Not heard of it myself
E. I'd run an intercooler - you'll be running a pretty high CR being a B200E then putting boost into it will casuse a lot of heat - I'd aim to lower the charge temp as much as possible to avoid things getting too hot.

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'88 360 +T LSD - sold
'87 760 TDI (D24TIC) - sold
'04 V40 D sport (F9Q, decat, Remapped, launch control)
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 23 Aug 2013 09:00 am

Nimminz wrote: A. It will clear but might knock when the engine moves
-i have the 700 series brackets on hold just in case
B. Don't think so, if its the same manifold as mine it sits the turbo pretty low. Although some sort of heat protection might be required for the brake resevoir/lines
-will be exhaust wrapmg the manifold and down pipe and making a heat Sheild to pretty much go around the turbo
c. Not sure on your 13g, my 13c is 7psi standard
-so i may need to down the boost a bit
D. Not heard of it myself
-GOOD NEWS!
E. I'd run an intercooler - you'll be running a pretty high CR being a B200E then putting boost into it will casuse a lot of heat -
-i don't know how to see if mine's 9.2:1 or 10.x:1
I'd aim to lower the charge temp as much as possible to avoid things getting too hot.
- would the viscous fan and the secondary electric fan blowing cold air on to a sheet of ali tack welded to the intake pipe not cool it enough? i just don't want to have to go through my front plate more than i have to.

also I'll be keeping standard comp and adjusting oxygen level on air flow meter, plus maybe going for an adjustable cam gear to slightly advance or retarded timing.
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Ride_on » 24 Aug 2013 01:44 am

FT = 7psi
FK= 4psi

..approx

940 manifold causes the turbo to just clear the engine mount with the wastgate actuator, but the oil return needs rerouting or a custom engine mount.

Heat wise I think the coolant expansion tank is more an issue. Standard shield + exhaust wrap should be enough for the brake master.

The intercooler is only used when you are on boost (compressing air causes an increased temp in the turbo and in the compression stroke). Really depends on boost and octane how much heat the charge can withstand before it detonates. 86 will be 10:1 compression, others have said that is ok, but Volvo don't do it so I would be worried about knocking or detonation on boost. Intercooling will reduce the possibility. a 10:1 compression will increase charge temps alot more than 9.2:1 (post 86). I'm not sure how that affects ignition, but I think you generally need to retard when charge is close to detonation. A pipe is not going to cool much IMO.

You need the 6 digit engine code. B200EE is 9.2:1, I think B200EO is 10:1 but I have no documentation for 86 injection. Or you can apparently tell from the chassis number

http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum-uk/v ... 00EE#p4192
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 24 Aug 2013 08:43 am

Ok so if i wind boost down, do intercooler, and go adjustable camgear?
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S60T -Mazda Familia
850lpt -AU Falcon
855T5 -91, 95, 97 960
940TIC -Mitsi GTO TT
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Ride_on » 25 Aug 2013 02:36 am

Adjustable Cam gear is not going to help you avoid detonation unless it helps you reduce compression (which is the oppposite of its purpose), but I'd start with FK wastegate actuator at 4psi, and use high octane.

The 940 engine is designed for 95 octane, although will use 91, using more compression without the turbo+ control module may lead to problems. 11psi with the standard B230FT is 'well known' to be reliable, but it still causes problems, for example if you try top speed you will damage the turbo.

Logging will let you experiment, measure knock, EGT and wideband O2.
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 25 Aug 2013 02:59 am

Mine's not a racecar and nor shall be so i don't need to worry about top speed. it runs 95 anyway. cam gear will be to advance or retarded timing so that it all explodes properly. 4psi is all I'll be wanting but a FK actuator is hard to come by here so I'll get a custom mounting bracket made to move it a little closer to reduce pressure.
Own:
86 360GLT
97 S90
92 960S, Royal
01 Subaru Lancaster 6
96 Volvo 854R

Owned
E90 320 M-sport wagon
S60T -Mazda Familia
850lpt -AU Falcon
855T5 -91, 95, 97 960
940TIC -Mitsi GTO TT
16x 360-Toyota corolla
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 03 Nov 2013 10:16 pm

Right i had an absolutely flawless plan on doing this.

A mount turbo/IC etc BEFORE afm
B. Run a 940 turbo manifold and injectors
C. subsequent air flow would force more air into motor past afm, tricking car into thinking its revving higher
D. The higher rev count would cause more fuel to be put in through bigger injectors
E. would keep a good afr throughout the 4k band I'll be using

BUT. i forgot about 1 little thing.

CRANK ANGLE SENSOR!
that little barstard would f### everything up.

is there a solution here?
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97 S90
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01 Subaru Lancaster 6
96 Volvo 854R

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S60T -Mazda Familia
850lpt -AU Falcon
855T5 -91, 95, 97 960
940TIC -Mitsi GTO TT
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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Ride_on » 04 Nov 2013 01:14 am

Not sure why you think you can fool a AMM putting it after the turbo. Its an air mass meter not an air flow meter. You do not need to fool it, the injection system will inject the rightish amount of fuel in however you tune it, up to the max capability of the AMM and injectors. The LH2.4 will be matched to the 940 injectors, it will fuel correctly whatever compression and turbo you use. It will want a 02 sensor feedback.

What are you using for ignition system? The 940 uses an EZK unit with seperate coil amplifier and a load signal from the LH2.4. EZK has selectable advance to some degree and a knock sensor, which might be useful for a high compression head. Otherwise a fully programmable ignition system might be wise.

I'm not sure if the 360 crank sensor will work with the EZK, most people use the 940 engine and need the 940 sensor as the mounts are different on the block. You will need a EZK type flywheel though, the hole pattern is different to the Renix. I like the Renix though, it starts quickly with 2 sensors point, EZK only has 1, seems to take an age.
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Nimminz » 04 Nov 2013 02:02 am

I think OP is planning on using the stock (LE) ECU

The turbo EFI setup will be matched to the engine and turbo aswell as allowing on boost enrichment, o2 feedback, etc. etc.

There is a relatively new member on this forum who has turbo'd his 360 saloon with the standard system but used a BMW AFM housing and t5? injectors. Looking through his thread should give you some ideas.

I'd reccomend using the LH system off an B200FT car to be honest...
'88 360 +T LSD - sold
'87 760 TDI (D24TIC) - sold
'04 V40 D sport (F9Q, decat, Remapped, launch control)
'89 740 SE (b230ft, 12psi, V-cam, headwork, 'remapped', banded steels)
'86 340 DL 1.4

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Ride_on » 06 Nov 2013 01:28 am

Ah sorry, read your message about using the LH2.4 and thought that was OP. Altzimers settling in nicely ;-)
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 06 Nov 2013 01:57 am

Anyone have a link or user name or forum its posted in? thanks
Own:
86 360GLT
97 S90
92 960S, Royal
01 Subaru Lancaster 6
96 Volvo 854R

Owned
E90 320 M-sport wagon
S60T -Mazda Familia
850lpt -AU Falcon
855T5 -91, 95, 97 960
940TIC -Mitsi GTO TT
16x 360-Toyota corolla
Toyota corona-R32 Skyline
V70R -V70T5

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by macplaxton » 06 Nov 2013 04:47 am

Logan360 wrote:Anyone have a link or user name or forum its posted in? thanks
Nimminz wrote:There is a relatively new member on this forum who has turbo'd his 360 saloon with the standard system but used a BMW AFM housing and t5? injectors. Looking through his thread should give you some ideas.
Can I be grumpy? :twisted:

How about using that thing called a search box up top. I did and can tell you this:

Link: http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum-uk/v ... =2&t=14978
User name: BMR (Bart Manders)
Forum it is in: V3M GENERAL forum ‹ General discussion

Is that what you wanted to know or was you asking a completely different question? :?

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by Logan360 » 06 Nov 2013 05:56 am

i am familiar with the search box. I'm also well familiar with its failure to work with my cellphone for some unknown reason. i sincerely thank you for finding that info for me.
Own:
86 360GLT
97 S90
92 960S, Royal
01 Subaru Lancaster 6
96 Volvo 854R

Owned
E90 320 M-sport wagon
S60T -Mazda Familia
850lpt -AU Falcon
855T5 -91, 95, 97 960
940TIC -Mitsi GTO TT
16x 360-Toyota corolla
Toyota corona-R32 Skyline
V70R -V70T5

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Re: turbing a 360

Post by macplaxton » 06 Nov 2013 07:07 am

No problem it was mock grumpiness anyway. :lol:

You got your link (and you wouldn't if I was real-deal grumpy :wink: )
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