460 GLE 1.7 faults

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Ride_on
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460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Ride_on » 24 Oct 2013 10:38 pm

Some of you may know my general distrust of these engines and this is another good eample of why.

My old aunt+uncle have a mint 36K 460, that has been fine for the last year or 2 since they bought it. The have it serviced by a guy they consider cheap, honest and reliable.

All of a sudden it has almost no clutch, leaking water, leaking oil all over the carb and a 1500rpm tickover. Seems to use water rapidly when driving, but not when engine off.

I'm going to take a look at the weekend and hoping some of you guys might have some idea about the 460. Does it suffer the waping carb and/or minfold? Does it have a water heated manifold? What sources of oil are there, same breathers as the 340 1.7? How could clutch, water, carb and oil be related?

Mechanic is spelling doom and engine death which seems a bit unreaosnable for just a head gasket + clutch worse case, but has has just managed to pry them from clining onto a rusted chassis 25 YO Nissan and welding it every year, so I think he might be trying to pry them from this disaster, or simply a car he doesn't know how to fix. Or maybe he's fked up something on it needing head off.

I think it will cost more that the cost of a decent 940 to put right, but they do seem intent on doing that.
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by macplaxton » 24 Oct 2013 10:52 pm

How old is it? Must be quite old to have a carb?

I don't remember them being particularly unreliable. A mate of mine had a G or H plate 440 from his brother and it was always a case of no more than just adjusting up the handbrake for the MOT.

36k for a clutch isn't long. Could be oil on it? As long as the body doesn't have holes in it, it shouldn't be too much of a prob to keep it going.
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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Ride_on » 24 Oct 2013 11:16 pm

I could be wrong but I have questioned them at length over whether it says injection on the back. I have seen the engine once and think I would have remembered if it was injection, I might have held some hope for it.
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Ride_on » 28 Oct 2013 01:28 am

Got a look at it today. It wasn't hugely oily.

Breather system had come apart near the distributor, probably causing the reving (like the 340 it routes under the carb to allow too much air, restrictor must be in the air filter)
Not original oil cap, leaking (made worse by the breather)
Water pump is leaking, seems to be out the front of the bearing but didn't remove the engine cover to check.
Clutch - you can let the clutch out on tickover, with handbrake on and the engine keeps ticking over but does provide some thrust.
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1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by macplaxton » 28 Oct 2013 03:31 am

Doesn't sound too grim.
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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Chris_C » 28 Oct 2013 08:23 am

Waterpumps are 15quid and about the same in minutes to do on a 300 ride on. Not sure on 440, but should be the same. An 03 Laguna with the "same" engine takes 3 nights and most of the car apart ;)
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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by CBA » 08 Nov 2013 10:52 am

Slacken that clutch off, sort the leaks, do the gasket and give it a kick in the tyres :twisted: - get a clutch plate for a tenner on the bay if it actually is worn out. Thinking of clutches, mine feels like it's coming near the end of it's life... I might do an instruction video of how to do the clutch with jack-all tools :wink:

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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Ride_on » 21 Nov 2013 12:28 am

Well they got most of the faults sorted, but need a oil filler cap. the mechanic seems to have lost theirs.

Anyone got one?
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by macplaxton » 21 Nov 2013 03:22 am

Bog-standard Renaulty thing.

Used on Renault-engined Volvos from B14s in 340s to D4192Ts in S/V40s up to 1999.

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If you're stuck, Hellfrauds. If not the local motor factors / ECP should be able to rustle one up. Exact style may differ, but all should plug-up the same hole in the cover.

I'm of the mind it's one of those parts easily got from all good parts places for a fiver.

If you see "the mechanic", boot his arse into the middle of the next county. :P
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Re: 460 GLE 1.7 faults

Post by Ride_on » 21 Nov 2013 11:02 pm

Cheers was thinking that, no experience with 1.7s
1980 345 DL_______1987 360 GLE (project car restored to GLT spec and B230FT'd)
1984 360 GLT______1987 360 GLT
1983 360 GLS______1989 360 GLE
1985 340 GL_______1986 340 1.4
1985 360 GLS______1995 940 SE 2.3 Turbo Estate (daily)
1987 340 GL 1.7

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