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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by jtbo » 19 May 2011 08:00 am

Hell Driver wrote:You mean 300 euros a day if they catch you? How do they police that, if a car runs on either surely you just switch over to petrol! How do they prove it, or is it just 300 a day if you take a car with the conversion on the road? Thats mad as you'd not even spend that in a day on petrol, let alone that much in tax on petrol!
Many of our laws are based on envy, or so it looks like to me, if someone could get away with paying less than someone else there comes new law to make things 'equal', of course it does not mean cheaper, it means price is made so high that everyone pays the maximum price, that is Finland and one of biggest griefs I'm having for living in here.

If you put up a company, so that you work for yourself, you need to earn more than double to get same income as regular worker doing same stuff, bit additional taxes and expenses, to make sure that you are not getting more than regular worker.

It is like if people are kept in chains or something like that and they still think this is number one country in world...
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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by Fuse » 19 May 2011 09:11 am

Now jtbo makes it sound like North Korea, which it's not. ;)

That LPG tax is for all alternative fuels, except the mentioned natural gas/bio gas and electrical vehicles. It's not because of envy but just because the government want's to keep the tax money coming from gasoline and diesel, which have the fixed fuel tax in price. (And alternative fuels don't have. People use alternative fuels -> no tax income for the government. It's all about the money.)

Natural gas/biogas and electrical vehicles have been exempted from the tax but that's just "green image polishing" mostly. That "alternative fuel source" tax goes in to the class of idiotic taxes, which have nothing to do with common sense. But not all taxes are like that in here either. ;)

Of course it's very rare that on the road anyone would notice if you drive with LPG, but the system is not to allowed be connected at MOT and also if the police would caught you driving with LPG, you would get taxes to paid for a year or something, so it's a very big sum and it's enough of a "scare factor" for most to not even bother.
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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by jtbo » 19 May 2011 10:23 am

Fuse wrote:Now jtbo makes it sound like North Korea, which it's not. ;)

That LPG tax is for all alternative fuels, except the mentioned natural gas/bio gas and electrical vehicles. It's not because of envy but just because the government want's to keep the tax money coming from gasoline and diesel, which have the fixed fuel tax in price. (And alternative fuels don't have. People use alternative fuels -> no tax income for the government. It's all about the money.)

Natural gas/biogas and electrical vehicles have been exempted from the tax but that's just "green image polishing" mostly. That "alternative fuel source" tax goes in to the class of idiotic taxes, which have nothing to do with common sense. But not all taxes are like that in here either. ;)

Of course it's very rare that on the road anyone would notice if you drive with LPG, but the system is not to allowed be connected at MOT and also if the police would caught you driving with LPG, you would get taxes to paid for a year or something, so it's a very big sum and it's enough of a "scare factor" for most to not even bother.
Not very far in some aspects, it is not too long ago that all electric vehicles were needed to pay heavier diesel tax than diesel cars.

Also our current political situation is not very far from dictatorship, voting is meaningless it seems. If there would be no tax for alternatives, then it would be more than likely for new great inventions to happen and it would mean a lot more money for government, but their short sighted decisions are not helping at all and there are a lot of laws that are nothing more than equalizing population because of envy, or at least can't think any other real reason behind it. Of course those can be just so stupidly made laws that nobody is not enough stupid to think way lawmaker has thought.

They could stop giving money out with both hands first and only then add taxes, remember that tax in petrol was meant to be temporal solution for two or so years during difficult times, it has been over 50 years already and is being added to new fuels too, they just started spending more than they really had money and as they found out easy way to get more and more money there has not been end to lunatic spending, like if this country would be some UK or Germany where are few times more people to pay for services, we don't have that kind of population and we are living bigger than can be maintained in the long run.

In a country where you simply have no real alternative than use your own car (except southern part which really is different country because population density etc.) it is stupid to tax travelling so hard, it keeps unemployment and prices high and now would be important to get prices low and going work at low salary worthwhile, which would then boost economy too, but instead they will put more taxes on diesel fuel next year and only those driving a little will benefit from that change, all deliveries to shops are made with trucks and 10% increase on those costs is again against economy growth.

Silly thing is that Katainen&Co knows about this but still decided to push on with it because of climate and all that religious stuff they use to get more taxes and which they use to boost economy by lies and painting scary things to horizon.

So driving costs are going to be ever higher and our country closer to North Korea in a future and it seems that it does not matter what rest of the people thinks, only high population density areas get their voices heard, which don't cover even 10%(?) of land area.
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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by CBA » 19 May 2011 06:21 pm

Is there any way to get more fuel from a fuel pump? apart from when its coldest.. and having the pump auto stop with the safety valve.. that gives you whats in the pipe for free on certain types of pump :idea:

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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by Speedy88 » 19 May 2011 06:31 pm

CBA wrote:Is there any way to get more fuel from a fuel pump? apart from when its coldest.. and having the pump auto stop with the safety valve.. that gives you whats in the pipe for free on certain types of pump :idea:
Yes but the amount you get is very minimal and will probably leak out when you go around a corner anyway.
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Re: Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

Post by CBA » 19 May 2011 06:46 pm

Especially on mine.. I'd fix it but I like the smell :D

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