Ali's drift 360 project

Post by **foggyjames** » 06 Jun 2006 12:46 am

There really is no replacement for displacement...all else being equal the 1.7 will always make more power. It makes relatively little peak power because that's how Volvo tune their engines, but compare the torque figures and all will become clear, I'd imagine. Comparing peak power figures is pretty misleading.

I think you've got sound reasoning for fitting the turbo lump. I suspect that the wierd exhaust manifold was engineered that way to make it fit in the compact R5 engine bay, so you stand to a) make it fit easier, and b) make it better performing.

cheers

James

Post by **Frits** » 06 Jun 2006 12:12 pm

I don't understand "There really is no replacement for displacement..."

However, I'm gonna take the old engine this week out. And "try" the turbo one. Also I am looking for a weldingmachine. Then practising with welding. The turboheader doesn't really looks diffecult to make it myself. Besides, I know sombody that is welder from work, he has got a better welding machine. He can give me instructions and and help me a little.

Maybe I should open my own Topic? This goes realy far in here.

Post by **Ali** » 06 Jun 2006 06:50 pm

Yeah you should definately open a new topic, hopefully there will be a lot more to come as you start the build so no point in adding to this thread. Just don't forget that the inlet and exhaust manifolds cross together to make sure your new one clears the inlet manifold.

Post by **foggyjames** » 06 Jun 2006 11:59 pm

I meant there's no substitute for greater CC.

Post the link to the new thread in here when you make it

cheers

James

Post by **Ali** » 07 Jun 2006 05:30 pm

Well I didn't want to start a new topic just for the sake of three pictures so decided to add to this one as its eventually going to become the drift car, bought this off ebay for £30 yesterday morning and it came in the post this morn:

Post by **Frits** » 07 Jun 2006 09:19 pm

That seats really looks nice! Love it.

Post by **340GLT** » 08 Jun 2006 12:14 am

Looking gud there mate!!

Adam

Post by **andyb** » 08 Jun 2006 01:53 pm

Hello volvo 300 fans, i am the brother of huskyracer and all though i don't own a 300 i doo have a big soft spot for them and enjoy steeling his keys when ever i get the chance, He got me to keep an eye on the 300 world for him as he is stupidly busy at the moment.
Any way to the point

(lets not forget Husky had a pretty damn large spec to get it to 170bhp)

Not really true the car has an almost completely stock 440 engine the only things done internally is a mild port and polish job and i do mean mild, most of the rest is not needed to make the power its just nice to have. This includes the omex as the original ecu can be tweeked to remove the boost cut off giving with a few choice bits (filter, Exhaust and bigger injectors) around 200bhp also the boost controller is not needed just nice to have plus it only cost him £10 as i spotted it being sold at a vw show. The same goes for almost everthing he has on the car including the turbo almost all the parts are there for future use, if he ever gets the time the car will be getting a lot more power.
Hope i don't sound like a grumpy git but i have seen this written about the car a couple of times i felt the need to try a straighten it out.

Post by **Ali** » 08 Jun 2006 03:03 pm

Sorry about that I was just trying to point out the standard engine only produces 120bhp, I knew that Husky had used an Impreza fuel pump, bigger throttle body and various injectors so thought it might not be as easy to get big power with the standard parts.

Post by **pettaw** » 08 Jun 2006 03:16 pm

Yup, not too much heavy work modding stuff, but quite a bit of tweaking and fiddling about trying to get all the bits to work together properly, and also even tweaking the original ECU will involve taking it to a tuner or having it chipped, which AFAIK isn't too cheap.

Post by **andyb** » 08 Jun 2006 05:41 pm

Ali no need to aploagies you have said nice things about the car on driftworks.

also i think the way I wrote my post was poor as everything I wanted to say popped into my head in one big rush which my poor, slow typing could't keep up with meaning half never got typed before escaping my head

even tweaking the original ECU will involve taking it to a tuner or having it chipped, which AFAIK isn't too cheap.

No need to spend much money the 480 boys have a guy that does the mod to the ecu and i believe its under £100, with this larger injectors (£20 from scrapyard) an exhaust and filter the 480 boys are claiming 200bhp.
With the stock injectors and just the ecu mod they are claiming 170bhp.
My brother changed the throttle body because he beleived the stock one would not flow enough air to make more than about 160bhp the 480 boys are proving otherwise, That said i do beleive it is a restriction above the 160bhp mark but they are getting round this by turning up the boost.
The throttle body my brother changed it for was a simple bolt on affair and very cheap if you were to get one from a breakers yard, it came from an old cavalier. The fuel pump did indeed come from a subaru impreza (cost him nothing as it was getting chucked out) could just as easily take one from alot of other cars.
Make no mistake there is fiddeling to do with this converstion but i think no more than with any other convertion people have looked at for the 340. sticking a 5 gtt lump and upping the power power is both more expensive and harder (IMHO) than doing the same with the 1.7 lump as these engines are fragile if badly setup and need to have the jetting etc. played with on a dyno to gain best results the 480 boys send off there ecu wait a week then plug in and drive. Also whilst back on the ecu front you could do the work yourself with the right reaserch, the 480 boys are not chipping the ecu. I rember my brother telling me about someone on this forum with a 360 who took their stock ecu apart studdied wiring diagrams etc and made some changes to it which is IMHO just about as much fiddeling as my brother did on his whole car.

Post by **pettaw** » 08 Jun 2006 05:56 pm

We talked about taking the ECU apart on the 360 and trying to work out which resistors/capacitors did what, but gave up in the end and I ended up going for Megasquirt

Post by **Ali** » 08 Jun 2006 05:57 pm

Bloody hell, I didn't realise it could all be done on the standard parts plus just to do the conversion on a 340 you'd be making a custom exhaust and aftermarket air filter anyway, £100 for the upgrade seems damn cheap and definately wouldn't get you far on a R5 lump! Also none of the headgasket problems associated with the C1J. Just found another engine possibly for sale in the uk:

I've got a 2.0 Laguna/440 engine sitting in my garage - the heads have been modified to drop the compression to 7:1, the internals have all been ceramic coated, manifold has a T3 flange... Sitting next to it is a T3 from a Cosworth.

Sounds ideal for someone on here but might be a tad pricey!

Post by **andyb** » 08 Jun 2006 06:28 pm

I also ment to say that the engine that is in my brothers car used to be in a 440 that I owned which made 157bhp that car was standard bar a £30 airfilter and a £7 bleed valve, we upped the boost to the cut off in the ecu and them backed it off a tad,m think it was running 10 psi would have to check with iain to confirm but im 99% sure.

I ended up going for Megasquirt

didn't realise it was you just remembered it seemed like a total mission when my bro told me, Not suprised you called it quits.
Mega squirt is the other way you could go on the 1.7 lump and probably what my brother would have used if he hadn't already had the Omex sitting in his wardrobe gathering dust.

Post by **pettaw** » 08 Jun 2006 06:54 pm

Yup, it was me

Megasquirt is still a bit of a mission, I've had it on the car for almost 6 months now and I'm still tweaking this and that to get it running perfectly and its still not quite there yet. Its weird, because I'm only running fuel only at the moment but the car is definitely faster than it was with the LE-Jet even though the dyno says its making no more than book bhp (although its 18lbft up on torque).

Anyway, I think Husky also used the sump and engine mounts from a B172K engine. IIRC he had to search pretty hard for a clutch that could hold the torque too.