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Post by petefarrell360 » 09 Jan 2007 08:30 pm

pettaw wrote:I'm all for getting rid of 'old bangers' btw, which are scarcely roadworthy deathtraps, but not well maintained older cars.
Good point, yeah me too, anything quite frankly that's not roadworthy should be sorted, and sadly there are far too many vehicles running around in a state hardly fit for scrap. I think these people who dream up these laws and rules etc are trying to resolve a problem, but firstly know very little about what they are talking about, the effects of making a new car, the cost involved for people who can't afford them and the people who like their older vehicles.

Secondly all too often we're all grouped into one. It's the mentality of anything between x date and y date is new, anything older than z is just a rust bucket and no one could possibly have an interest in it, and it can't be collecteable and classic because it isn't this old and doesn't have such a large recognised following. Sadly being in the minority makes us an easy target.

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Post by SoLaMaNdA » 09 Jan 2007 08:34 pm

Mine is supposed to be the 90bhp version, I question those top speed figures!

They will never be able to enforce that kind of ban, simply wouldn't happen. These kind of extreme ideas are put into the press so that any future tougher rules/taxes are less resented. It will probably lead to a higher road tax or other charges for older cars. My 6 year old motorbike probably is worse for the environment than an average 1980s car.

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Post by petefarrell360 » 09 Jan 2007 08:39 pm

Apparently when these ideas were circulated a while ago, the UK Government refused to comment on them...........

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Post by SoLaMaNdA » 09 Jan 2007 08:48 pm

I have to admit I would support any policy that would reduce needless car traffic in London atleast - it's crazy! Motorbikes are the answer for big cities :idea:

Picking on old cars is still unfair.

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Post by A M R » 09 Jan 2007 09:11 pm

SoLaMaNdA wrote:Mine is supposed to be the 90bhp version, I question those top speed figures!
what do you mean?


only 115mph from a 2 litre? ive seen almost 130 from a standard 1.6 avensis!
well i suppose the crap aerodynamics of the 3 series accounts for this, but cant be that much of a loss in speed?


on to the topic - they would NEVER be able to enforce this. the public wouldnt take it! there would probably be a massive rally in london against this idea, nobody would conform, anarchy everywhere, mp's will get lynched (bumrushed even), etc etc...
the fat cats would be able to support the idea if they changed their cars every few years or so, but who would buy their cars knowing that they wont have it for that long?

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Post by SteveP » 09 Jan 2007 09:20 pm

112mph is the official 'top' speed set in brochures. 130mph out of a 1.6 Avensis? Ever heard of speedo error? And yes, aerodynamics harm top speed (and economy) alot. It takes alot more effort to make an unerodynamic car go quicker at high speed.
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Post by A M R » 09 Jan 2007 09:22 pm

well yeh but....shhhhhh! :lol:

is 112 the actual limit or is it greater?

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Post by SoLaMaNdA » 09 Jan 2007 09:55 pm

I question the top speeds being so low :wink:

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Post by Ronnie » 09 Jan 2007 09:59 pm

Practical Classics have been banging on about this issue recently - their answer is for clubs to get organised and seek classic status for their marque. Active membership of V3M might mean the very survival of the Volvo 300! I can't help but feel this is a cynical ploy to support the sale of new cars and advance the wasteful ethos of a disposable society.

Re speed: I got 125 out of a Mk3 GLT a few years ago. 1 passenger, nice cold day, open motorway. I think I could of got a few more mph out of it but said passenger got a bit nervous
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Post by trabitom99 » 09 Jan 2007 10:13 pm

As far as I know, 185 kmh is the highest "official" top speed quoted by Volvo for any 360:

http://www.volvo300mania.com/pictures/cat85_22.jpg

185 kmh is 114.95 mph. But most brochures quote the injected 360s as doing 180 kmh (111.85 mph).

Unlikely you'd notice the difference on the road though... Sorry for the nit-picking.

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Post by classicswede » 09 Jan 2007 10:24 pm

Or when you look at my one on LPG it will pass emissions for a fresh cat car!!

As to top speed the spedo's on 300's read about 10% fast
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Post by SoLaMaNdA » 09 Jan 2007 10:27 pm

classicswede wrote:As to top speed the spedo's on 300's read about 10% fast
Shhssss, don't ruin our hopes :cry:

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Post by petefarrell360 » 09 Jan 2007 10:35 pm

I checked my 360 speedo with GPS one day, but bearing in mind I was running on 15 inch rims on 195/50's, it was approx 7 mph faster at 70. I wanted to see just how far out it was, wish I'd been able to check it with stock rims to compare........ So Dai ispot on, the more it reads the worse it gets.

Back on topic, with tax, insurance and everything else being on computer, number plate recognition, the enforcability of things won't be hard, for anything. I'd imagine they'd install cameras at all motorway or major road entries and exits to record your distance or something like that. Then for using old vehicles, they could easily use the same system. So, like someone said earlier, get done for speeding, get charged for using the road, and get fined for using an old vehicle in one go in the future possibly, an expensive trip?

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Post by mickt » 09 Jan 2007 11:48 pm

May I chip in - great thread even though I have not read the original link yet - I heard on the radio at work ( I think I was awake ) an article about police forces collecting unlicensed cars and crushing them . The clear sense given was that by cleansing the streets of old cars there would be a reduction in the crime rate Perhaps that is why I drive my Volvos kind of sedately usually

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Post by d3k4y0 » 10 Jan 2007 12:07 am

mickt wrote:May I chip in - great thread even though I have not read the original link yet - I heard on the radio at work ( I think I was awake ) an article about police forces collecting unlicensed cars and crushing them .
You listen to Jeremy Vine's "Daily Mail FM" AICMFP

I heard that, I missed the crucial part where they went to the copper at the scrap yard, and so i just thought I'd lost my tuning!

As for the original article, it's this kind of rediculess governmental (sic) policy is what is going to force me to leave for somewhere warmer and less socially retarded. Germany always appealed to me, you wouldn't have a free room would you trabitom?
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