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Post by Ricatron » 18 Oct 2007 04:04 pm

SteveP wrote:
Ricatron wrote:unless you want to drive a million miles on the motorway
I think pretty much any car in its class would outdo it at this too...
yeah but what about cost?
a car that you can pick up for £50+ and if you get the desiel then you will get the a true veg oil burner :wink: and your can run miles for practically nothing :)

thats cheap motoring.
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Post by shimon340 » 18 Oct 2007 10:20 pm

hi there

oooh feel the need to defend the 440 here as I have three! one K reg 1.8 mk 1.., a 440 diesel and a 440 mk2 CVT. can see the way the 340 evolved via the G4 and the galaxy project into the 440. a typical volvo in that everything comes apart well and its easy to service. yes FWD means some challenges ie cambelt but its ok. Renault petrol engines as the volvo X4 engine (became the N series engines in the 850,then 4 cyl in the S40/V40 and the 6 cylinder in the 960 etc... 5 and 6 still used today) wasnt ready yet and yes the original prototype N series were 4 cylinders :) volvo already used renault engines in the 300 so it was sensible to use B172 and its derivatives in the 400 series. Volvo upgraded the B14 for the 340 and its different spec to the renault 1.4. not sure what they modded on the B18 series to improve them... one for the archives!!!

the rustproofing on the 400 is good if not quite as good as the 200 and 700s. the interior build quality of the mk1 wasnt so hot with rattling dashboards but this was addressed by the Mk2 which in terms of interior is what the mk1 should have been!! very much quieter

480s have give more electrical faults than the 440. really its the first 2 years of the 480 which is most "interesting" in this way. pop headlights and their electrics plus the information centre give the most trouble - both things the 440/460 do without.

400 diesels are a renault D19 and in my experience are nice engines. turbo pulls strongly so unless idling and round town oyu dont really notice the noise. only thr mk2 got the diesel and soundproofing is better on these. come with both Lucas and Bosch pumps. Bosch are more durable and can take biodiesel veggie oil but will all pumps you'll need to use a lubricity agent or budget for a spare pump with some of the fuel money you use. Lucas pumps (or CAV) cant use veggie or biodiesel at all.

CVT was interesting development but Daf sued volvo saying "we sold you the rights to the belt CVT not CVT in general" Id like to look up more on this at some point. Daf won, volvo stopped making the CVT 440... :(
I hear of cracking transmission cases on the CVTs making them less durable. Volvo didnt get to the bottom of the problem and when it started coming to light the scale of it, the CVT was forced out of production anyway. maybe aftersales boxes were modified?? ie parts ones?

The car was pitched as a slightly higher market than the 340 and was more expensive in real terms to the 340. the S40 moved up a segment again and whilst the C30 is a return to small cars, its not the cheap entry car esp that volvo is now solely a premium brand within the Ford empire so there wont be a Volvo Fiesta type car but... there is possibility of a smaller car than the C30 given volvos recent safety patents and multisteel front ends.....

440 Turbo looks the most stylish. 400 turbo was a volvo-bosch-porche co-development. 924 uses some similar parts and ECU the turbo 400s.

Search for Richmod on volvo-480-europe.org and there is an ECU mod by a chap who works for Bosch who cant tell you what he does or exactly how the eCUs work (modern ones still derive from it!!) but from the results of cars it is installed in, it makes a nice difference!!

I was thinking of volvo440mania.com. remember how there was no 300 site and there didnt seem to be a demand? :)

lots more 480 sites that 440 ones as the 440 and 460 tended to be A to B cars by older people and I think they are too young and maybe a bit too plain to get the following of the 300 at the moment.

front suspension design of the 400 was well received when launched...:)

viva 400! :)

hee hee

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Post by Ronnie » 19 Oct 2007 06:03 am

Great write up, Shimon.

My brother in law had a nearly new 440 Xi, and he loved it. He was a long haired sound engineer so was hardly part of the flat cap brigade. He used to thrash it over the single track roads of the Highlands in a most determined fashion and certainly got to grips with its handling.

One point in comparing the 440 and 480, the 480 is actually heavier than the 440 but with one less seat and less volume. I guess it might be a bit stiffer in compensation.
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Post by Chris_C » 19 Oct 2007 11:16 am

shimon340 wrote: a typical volvo in that everything comes apart well and its easy to service.

the interior build quality of the mk1 wasnt so hot with rattling dashboards but this was addressed by the Mk2 which in terms of interior is what the mk1 should have been!! very much quieter

480s have give more electrical faults than the 440. really its the first 2 years of the 480 which is most "interesting" in this way. pop headlights and their electrics plus the information centre give the most trouble - both things the 440/460 do without.
I've cut that down abit... but I feela 400 bashing about to start... deep breath... remember to be civalised... tongue firmly placed into cheek... we may begin...

COMES APART EASY?!?!?! What planet are you on man?!?!?! Even the mondeo is easier to pull apart than that, for a car of it's time it's shocking for the home mechanic. It's fine if you have lifts, but the only way to do a clutch change is to drop the subfame, which you can't do without suspending the car at least 4 feet in the air! The only way I managed was to hacksaw the front of the car off, and wheel the damn thing out the front, but it makes re-assembly just that little bit harder. Nothing fits right, all the hoses are the wrong shape or too short, and the clip on style air ones seem to jump off at will!

The interior is also a firey passion of mine, it's more plasticy than the city rover which everyone constantly slates, and the plastic not only feels thin, but the s/h price you can command to non cracked trim shows it must be.

And as to the electrical faults, when I pulled mine apart (which was an 89, so 3ish years in) the leaks the thing had ment water ran down the wiring loom and as the plugs were on top of the ECU's had filled these with water! ARGH.

Right, that off chest now, no offence ment Shimon, just 400's hit a nerve with me :D I taught my housemate to drive in one... read into that what you will!

Will, Ricatron, my turbo progress has been slow, I havn't been able to get to it for the last few months, but the engine is built up now, I've got all the bits apart from a few hoses, and I replaced a few bits a little while ago so the front end is nicely revamped. Basically, I need to weld a patch into the inner wing where I had it bodged 5/6 years ago when I really didn't have a clue (as opposed to now, where I only have a tiny clue) and the engine dropped onto it's mounts.

Wiring is worked out, fueling sussed, tbh I just need a week or two to be able to get to it, and then suss out what paper work it's all going to create. Oh, and sort out the suspension. Kar's is knackered, and since I've sorted Fake's out I know I hit corners 15-20mph quicker as it doesn't feel like I'm about to scratch the door handles, so if I don't sort that out, I can see me flying off the first corner ;)
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Post by shimon340 » 19 Oct 2007 01:50 pm

okey dokey... I still like em!

water on the ECU will be from the drains for the heater box being blocked. I bought my blue one with all the footwells full of water due to these being blocked. electrics survived though... :)

subframe- as per any subframe FWD car - not as easy as RWD but thats how it is.

plasticy interior-- yep mk1 not as good. most plastic bits that break are vulnerable ie door pockets on 480s go when the door scheck strp fails meaning you leg bangs the pocket breaking it...

build quality better on the 340 but the 400 is still a nice car

we can agree to differ-- im cool with that! :)
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Post by classicswede » 20 Oct 2007 11:59 am

The 400's do prived good engine doners for 340's :D

As a car to drive there is one major problem FWD not to say you cant make it resonable to drive with resolving the big issue.

The saloon doe shave a bad habbit of the rear end overtaking the front but that is livable :lol:

My dream 400 series would have to be a 480 with a red block 2.3 turbo and running maybe 360 running gear or using a the 740 box and 960 IRS on the back. If only they had built them like that in the first place.

To wind it up I would still rather a 440 than a F@*d escort
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Post by shimon340 » 20 Oct 2007 07:55 pm

interestingly the 480 was originally designed to use the B17 B21 etc redblock family... the first car I believe did have redblocks but early on it was decided to go for the renault engine family ...don know exactly why... prob because they are lighter?
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Post by Fuse » 20 Oct 2007 09:37 pm

I once saw a 480 for sale in sweden which was converted to RWD and had ~200hp NA B23. 8) With subtle exterior mods it would be a one hell of a car. 8)
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Post by clitti » 20 Oct 2007 10:33 pm

A lad i know on the other side of the valley has a T5 engine wedged into the hole where the rear seats and boot used to be in his 480.Its all spaceframed and done to perfection,but it takes ages for anything to happen round here.He's been working on it for years.


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Post by Fuse » 20 Oct 2007 11:03 pm

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Post by clitti » 21 Oct 2007 12:29 am

Nice job but its still a car that i would rather have propping my kitchen door open.All jokes aside,it just did'nt appeal looks wise.(understatement)!!!!!!!
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Post by classicswede » 21 Oct 2007 11:23 am

Wow that does look like they used one of two pannels off a 480 :lol:

Nice machine but a little extream as a day to day car.
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