Shoot from the lip...

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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 12:13 am

volvosneverdie wrote:
we'd probably be better off controlling our daughters more effectivly

I thought I'd controlled my daughter fairly effectively until she went out with an Albanian refugee who got her pregnant before he got deported. Maybe it would have been less hassle if he'd been a spotty scrote in a 340 with a welded diff and a matt black bonnet... :oops:
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by volvosneverdie » 23 Jan 2010 12:26 am

Ian Mac wrote:
volvosneverdie wrote:
we'd probably be better off controlling our daughters more effectivly

I thought I'd controlled my daughter fairly effectively until she went out with an Albanian refugee who got her pregnant before he got deported. Maybe it would have been less hassle if he'd been a spotty scrote in a 340 with a welded diff and a matt black bonnet... :oops:
My Grandma is half Albanian.
Now youre just being abusive.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 12:38 am

I have nothing against Albanians and I'm not being abusive as you well know - you're being confrontational and taking advantage because you're jealous of my Zastava :wink:

However, I freely confess that as much as I love my half-Albanian grandson my ideals for my daughter didn't quite embrace the idea of her bringing-up a child on her own whilst her partner is a couple of thousand miles away with no prospect of being able to return. Still, she's not a child and I can't live her life for her - and we seem to have gone seriously off-topic.

Was your grandmother really half Albanian???
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Chris_C » 23 Jan 2010 12:39 am

Reasons I have a Megane engine in Fake:

Original engine had done 210,000m
Original engine was dying, epically, for the previous 15,000m, but it still drove and I was proving a point :oops:

I was driving a 130mile a day round trip for some contract work I was doing, and I really really really got fed up of drive to work, car breaks, limp it home, fix it, go to bed, get up, car breaks etc. I spent 3 weeks doing this, and something went literally every day.

Now I'd lie if I said the sole reason that engine is there is it's more reliable than a 1.7 carb. We all know that isn't true if the carb is looked after, and isnt worn. However, how many castings arn't worn now? Thing is, injection takes a lot less sevicing than a carb does but the only 300 available with injection is stupidly thirsty and makes very little power for that economy. I currently get a nadgers worse economy than a GLT, but a significant amount more power for that. When I get the mapping sorted fully, I expect to return better MPG than a GLT cruising, and similar to slightly worse under load.

Since I've had that engine, nearly 6,000m ago, I've gone out every day, turned the key, and it's just worked (tm). I have the reliability of a modern car, with the handling feel and look of a classic/retro car. It's now a hot hatch 300 if you will, a 340GTi.

Yup, I could have bought a different car, more suited to my needs originally. My needs:

Practical: Load lugging is essential, no saloons or 106's
Reliable: As above
Interesting: I hate bland steering that doesn't relay information. The *only* modern car I've found that suits me here is an MX-5, and even that had an aftermarket rack. That basically narrows me down to 70's cars straight away, even most 80's I don't get on with. RWD is an advantage, I've never owned anything not and I enjoy it.
Vaguely quick: I still rally, so I want something that goes. Plus, I'm mid 20's. If I can't have a powerful car now, before I need a family related thing, when will I be able to?

So, what do we reckon then? Either a Dolly Sprint (ah, no, reliable fail) Chevette HSR (erm... yeah, likely) Talbot BumSeam (again, I'm not rich enough) Golf GTi (I've driven mk2 16v's, and yup, they are pretty much all the above, but not *quite* as much fun as a 340. Handle much better, in a "I can go round corners quicker" way, but not more fun.) Or, an e30, though saloons are useless for practical and the estates command a price, and most are either slow or thirsty.

I agree we should keep some standard. Turn up to the VOC Rallies, and you'll see plenty that still are, we are outnumbered by a margin most of the time. However, I'm more than a bit proud of the fact I've now got a reliable powerful modern engine, in a car that I enjoy driving, that I can daily (around 15,000m a year) and race that I saved from the scrapyard 7 years ago 340pw
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'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast

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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by volvosneverdie » 23 Jan 2010 12:45 am

Ian Mac wrote:I have nothing against Albanians and I'm not being abusive as you well know - you're being confrontational and taking advantage because you're jealous of my Zastava :wink:

However, I freely confess that as much as I love my half-Albanian grandson my ideals for my daughter didn't quite embrace the idea of her bringing-up a child on her own whilst her partner is a couple of thousand miles away with no prospect of being able to return. Still, she's not a child and I can't live her life for her - and we seem to have gone seriously off-topic.

Was your grandmother really half Albanian???
Yup.
Polish-Albanian.
polish passport. Fieldnurse in ww2, settled here after the war.

As i suspected, this thread has gone from being about cars, to being about what you dont like. And im quite annoyed myself for biting in the first place now. i feel like a paragraph in the daily Mail.
last paragraph should read: people are people and will do the things people do.

We cannot affect this.

cars on V3M please.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 12:53 am

Ok, I've heard the arguments in favour of modified cars and unfortunately very few in favour of those in original condition. So, if anyone in the West Mids area with a nicely modified car wants to try and change my opinion I'm happy to meet-up. In return I'll let you experience the delights of my 8 valve push rod engined four speed box medium wave radio genuine 19000 mile 1.4 340 in nearly mint condition but no way will I swap so dont ask... :roll:
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 12:59 am

volvosneverdie wrote:



cars on V3M please.
:wink:

You could be right but as responsible adults it would be a shame if we couldn't deviate off topic without causing offence. I wish I'd never said anything now but I think its highly unlikely that I'll embrace every one who happens to post on here simply because they happened to buy a 340. And then wreck it..... :wink:
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by volvosneverdie » 23 Jan 2010 01:06 am

Ian Mac wrote: I wish I'd never said anything now but I think its highly unlikely that I'll embrace every one who happens to post on here simply because they happened to buy a 340. And then wreck it..... :wink:
I think he said that last bit on purpose you know!
Oh Ian, you cheeky chops.
thats why we love you. :lol:
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by turnbullj » 23 Jan 2010 01:07 am

just a thought would you rather?

people like me who only found out what a 340 was through drifting sites bought one and spend alot of time repairing it and modifying it to use it for a purpose (autotesting) and also enhanceing my knowledge of working on and driveing cars. Enjoyed it for a good few years

or

the guy I bought it off tradeing it in on the scrappage scheme to get £2000 off a crap korean car and the 340 getting made into a nice lil cube of metal
??????
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by volvosneverdie » 23 Jan 2010 01:09 am

Good frickin point James.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Chris_C » 23 Jan 2010 01:11 am

Ian Mac wrote:Ok, I've heard the arguments in favour of modified cars and unfortunately very few in favour of those in original condition.
There are (In my opinion, which is normally slightly twisted!) 2 camps for upgrading route

The Max Power brigade (who may or may not have grown out of silly bodykits into tuning for more power, but for this it doesn't really matter)
Engineery types, who by there very nature can't leave things alone. Most people know at least one of them, they generally take something apart and the real advanced ones can sometimes put it back together again after.

Camp 1 tend to be younger. Which means, anti camp one, the people who enjoy polishing (lets for the sake of arguement have a sweeping generalisation here, that anyone who doesn't tuned their car is obviously a beardy who polishes there car for concours competitions) must by definition be older. Most of the standard 300's I can think of, VOC members mainly, are non internet types and arn't on V3M for that reason. So as car forums are generally younger car types it's likely there will be a larger swing of Camp 1 owners.

Camp 2 owners... well, this really is some kind of medical condition and there isn't much that can be done about it, but again they will adopt a higher tech approach hence will also have been more likely to make it to a forum.

The demographic isn't going to help.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by turnbullj » 23 Jan 2010 01:17 am

also you never hear ford enthusiasts getting at folk for putting cossie engines into a mk1 escort rs2000 which in my eyes is more of a classic than a 340 (hope i dont offend folk there :oops: ) if all escorts were kept standard and cocooned in bubble wrap they wouldn't be worth half the money they are at the moment and no one would be interested in them

in all I think its good for a car scene to have a healthy mix of both
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 01:24 am

turnbullj wrote:

crap korean car

You were doing well until this comment. Of course I don't want to see 340s scrapped and I'm a staunch opponent of the scrappage scheme as numerous emails and letters to my MP will testify but no way are Korean cars crap. Kia and Hyundai have some of the lowest warranty claims on record, the longest manufacturer warranties and some of the highest owner satisfaction ratings.

My wife has just sold a Kia Picanto which in 45000 miles needed nothing more than routine servicing, one set of front and rear pads, an electric mirror switch and an exhaust downpipe to cure a rattle. The car had front and rear electric windows, central locking, electric mirrors, air con, alloys, twin airbags, MP3 player, full colour coded body kit, front foglamps etc etc.

Crap? Superb more like and I make that comment after more than 30 years in the motor industry.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by volvosneverdie » 23 Jan 2010 01:30 am

Anyone else have any opinions on car manufacturing in the far east?
We are now The daily Mail forum.
Lets ALL write letters to our MPs!!!!


My god. (and im an atheist)
Im going to bed.
This thread sucks the marrow from my bones and makes me tired.
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Re: Shoot from the lip...

Post by Ian Mac » 23 Jan 2010 01:32 am

You have an unhealthy interest in the Daily Mail mate............ :lol:
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