Ali's drift 360 project

Post by MJ » 20 Jan 2006 09:14 pm

Are you joking about the rad? She sits at verticle all the time (temp guage). The electric fan only needs to come on if the car idles in teh garage for a minutes after coming home. As I say, this was only the one time last summer I had the heater fans on just to be sure. It was nothing like Hughs pic from his roadtrip.

Post by **Ali** » 20 Jan 2006 09:24 pm

Thats what I was thinking as i'm going to be clutch kicking a lot its really not going to take it. I guess my best bet is not to mess about with the Volvo engine if I have to change the bellhousing and clutch, etc anyway and just swap the whole Renault engine in.
Iain I already have a roll of the tubing you suggested for the fuel lines in the garage, will it be ok to use that and mate it up to a seperate alloy fuel tank in the boot with the R5 leccy pump? Guess its easier that way and i'll lose some weight by ditching the normal tank,
cheers
Ali

Post by **foggyjames** » 21 Jan 2006 12:10 am

Ah, fair enough. I know the sort of thing you mean - FSE/Glencoe sell something similar for people wanting to convert EFI cars to sidedrafts....albeit it isn't rising rate like the one you've mentioned.

While we're on about GTTs, I went to my local 'crooze' a few weeks back, and there was a GTT letting off it's BOV in neutral, and without revving that hard. I've not especially noticed other turbo cars building boost in neutral, and thought that was kinda wierd. Any thoughts....or am I totally barking up the wrong tree? I must admit it's not something I've researched in great depth

MJ...next time I'm in your part of the world, I'll take a look. The problem is with fins corroding and no longer making contact with the coolant passages, reducing the effective cooling area. My car has hardly been neglected, but its radiator was totally knackered - I think only about 2/3 of the fins were left, and eventually (and quite suddenly) it started to manifest itself more and more, especially with the extra load of the big carbs.

It only takes one trip into the red to warp the head, so why run the risk? 300s have overbuilt cooling systems (just compare it to a 400s radiator!), so they should never run hot unless something is wrong. Cars with AC are a bit of a different story, but we'll ignore that for now. There's a guy selling 340 rads on eBay for £28 delivered. I'd definitely carefully examine the condition of your rad sometime, looking for loose or flaking fins.

cheers

James

Post by MJ » 21 Jan 2006 01:37 am

Not something I specifically looked at, but I thought it looked OK from what I saw when I was looking under the bonnet over Christmas. I'll ask my dad to have a look soon.

Post by **Ali** » 21 Jan 2006 05:41 pm

Just ripped the heater box out and i'm pretty sure it'll give enough room to drop the R5 engine straight in without needing to touch the manifold:

cheers
Ali

Post by **Frits** » 04 Jun 2006 08:02 pm

Hi, i'm from holland. My english isn't realy good, but I'l do my best.

I'm also fitting a GTT engine in my 343. Maybe we can use eachother knowledge.

It is written in dutch:
http://www.volvo300club.nl/discus/messa ... 1149441024

At the moment I don't have time to write more about it, but i'll come back later here.

I have investegated a lot already about this hole project.

Post by **Ali** » 04 Jun 2006 09:07 pm

Very nice

unfortunately I gave up on this engine swap a long time ago as it seemed like too much work, how are you going to solve the problem of the turbo hitting the heater box? As the pipes on the exhaust manifold are different heights you cannot cut and flip it upside down so the only way I could see was to remove the heater box or make a custom manifold, good luck and keep us updated

Post by **foggyjames** » 04 Jun 2006 11:54 pm

Wow, that thing looks like a pipework nightmare

Good luck!

cheers

James

Post by **Frits** » 05 Jun 2006 01:07 pm

Hi

I'm still not sure about what I'm gonna do about the place of the turbo. At the very first moment I wanted to keep the heater box out. Then making my own heating system. (wich wont be so effective as the original one) But now I'm even thinking that there isn't enough space. But I'm not sure about it. So this week I'm gonne put the engine on a lift and just hang it in. But even if it fits, it is so close to the bulkhead that I concerning about the heat that the bulkhead wil take (and set fire to the stuff behind it...) The engine also move int its rubbers....

Maybe a big hammer is a solution... to the bulhead..

But this option is a lot better:

http://www.student.ru.nl/p.oonincx/205XS2.html

http://www.sdsefi.com/techheader.htm

It seems like I can do that to

But, I dont even have a weldingmachine, and not much welding experience. Everything you can learn though? Thats my thougt.

And this is an interesting picture:

He weld it whit an electric welding machine. A electric is much much cheaper than a mig/mag. And that is a good point becouse I am a student whitout money

Chanching the original manifold Isn't a option I think.

About the pipework nightmare, it looks diffecult at the first moment. However, it is very simpel techniq

Im I stil the first one putting the r5 engine in the 340?

Post by **foggyjames** » 05 Jun 2006 07:14 pm

I think you are the first one to go through with it, yes. Many have attempted, and I think most have decided it wasn't worth the hassle, as the result isn't *that* spectacular....but....I'd love to see it done.

I'd make a custom manifold without a doubt. The original looks fairly nasty, and you've got plenty of space to play with in the 340 engine bay.

cheers

James

Post by **Carl** » 05 Jun 2006 07:59 pm

Good work with the manifold on the 205. But a very odd choice of car and engine. He could have bolted in a 106 GTi 1.6 16v engine which would have made a much better basis for crazy power. Or bought a 1.9 GTi with the decent uprated suspension and either turbo'd that or put an Mi16 engine in and turbo'd that. Using the 1.4 8v seems a bit silly IMHO!

Anyway, back to the 340 - if you think you have the knowledge/skills/equipment to use a GTT engine, why not use the 1.7T? Or my personal fav - the 1.8 16v - has anyone actually done this yet? Gotta be more reliable than the head-gasket-munching-antiquated GTT lump!!

There's no replacement for displacemnt, as the yanks like to say!

Post by **Ali** » 05 Jun 2006 08:02 pm

Yeah Nev's engine is in the car (1.8 16v on throttle bodies, etc) but i'm not sure that its up and running yet

Post by **Frits** » 05 Jun 2006 10:11 pm

About the peugeot 205, actualy, he did...

1.6 16v Turbo
http://www.student.ru.nl/p.oonincx/xs16vt.html

2.0 16v Turbo
http://www.student.kun.nl/p.oonincx/s16turbo.html

For me, I have/ had a few reasons for using the 1.4 turbo.

- Learning proces, this is more important for me than the HP's (OK, I still love much HP)
- The 1.7T doesn't have more power than the 1.4T
- This 1.4T has simpel techniq
- I could buy this complete engine for acepptabel price.
- Without costs, you can get easely more power out of it.

The car weight 950kg, and whit 135 HP is it still a nice combination. When I am done whit this project, I always can build anything faster than this.

My experience whit cars isn't realy big. I never changed a clutch or something like that. But I wanna learn. There are so many people saying I can't do this. Thats a extra reason for me to complete it. Besides, I am studying Batchlor automotive engineering, we only gets theory. Thats also a reason for me to learn this way and can do everything with te car. I keep on trying till I done what I wanted to do.

Post by **Carl** » 05 Jun 2006 10:28 pm

That 205 2.0 16v turbo is much more like it. Nice!!!!!

Of course, you do whatever you want, but I've heard many horror stories about the 1.4 GTT engine - my neighbour had one and I remember him doing the headgasket at least twice!!

Also if you use a larger engine it'll be easier to extract more power out of it later. For example a 1.8 16v turbo lump would be a mental project

Anyways, good luck with whatever you decide to do, make sure you keep us updated on how you're doing.

Post by **Ali** » 05 Jun 2006 10:35 pm

I though the 1.7T was the same power as the 1.4T, both 120bhp? Both are fairly tuneable with Husky getting over 200bhp out of his 1.7T but i'm pretty sure the R5 engine can reach 180bhp with a fair bit of work (lets not forget Husky had a pretty damn large spec to get it to 170bhp) so there probably isn't a lot in it. Whether the R5 unit is as reliable as the 1.7T I don't know, i'd guess not but at least the tiny 1.4 engine will get plenty of cooling in the volvo engine bay compared to the R5!