stays realy flat round the corners......Doesnt seem to have as much body roll as others that I have seen that have been lowered.
Ali takes the 360 drifting....
Its possibly due to the rear dampers and glt springs on the back of mine as everyone else (other than Nev) has standard rear shocks and the glt rear springs are slightly stiffer and lower than all the others. My wheel centre to wheel arch measurement is 290mm which is done on 1.4 springs with 2coils cut off and 40mm lowering blocks at the rear but glt's start off lower.
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Car used in measurements 360GL 1988, driven 256 000km
Stock 3dr GL rear from wheel arch to center of hub cap is 355mm that is with fuel tank empty + 20-30kg extra weight at boot, naturally all normal spare tire and jack there. Rear tire pressure 2,1bar tires 185/60/14 brand is Viking protech 500 (performance tires).
GL with Klien made GLT front springs, from wheel ar to center of hub cap is 360mm. Front tire pressure 1,9bar tires 185/60/14 brand is Viking protech 500 (performance tires)
Note, top of strut has this triangle shaped support and those are not too good shape on mine, rubber has gave out and crackling, that causes measure to drop about 2-3mm from normal.
According to factory spec from GLT and GL it should be that front ground clearance 180mm rear 200mm.
Quick calculation from measurements that Ali kindly provided for me, Ali's front is 35mm lower than my front, rear 55mm, tires make of course some difference here if tire diameter is not same.
Damper travel in 300 front is 158mm and by default I think it is over 90mm used when car is at rest and level surface, that would leave approx 70mm bump damping, when you lower 35mm that would leave 35mm bump damping, rest is rebound ie. freely available for roll, which you may limit with stiffer dampers and roll bars, also with cutting dampers short.
One thing I'm forgetting here is that there is something like 50mm long bump stops on front dampers, which are bit like extra springs, very stiff, they are made from thick rubber. I need to measure what is real position of damper when car is at level to get my calculations bit more useful and precise.
Stock suspension is so soft, that car is leaning against bump stops on corners or if those are removed, then car is using 100% of bump travel, that makes handling to change dramatically, for example if front is 100% that would mean spring stiffness of infinite causing loads of understeer, if this happens at rear only it will mean oversteer.
This is just quick analysis with very poor facts to let you have small idea what is happening in suspension, remember to read from other part of forum my post about lowering suspension, there is little information about roll center and what it does, very important to know and understand if you are lowering car for handling purpose.
You can make whole suspension with numbers and put that to practice, this way you can't go wrong
Drifting is of course bit different from grip, when drifting you don't like balance to be changed or lot of weight transfer, you like to limit suspension movements so that you can kick tail out easily and keep it there so that it won't grip by itself, rear ARB is good and stiff rear dampers, softer to front.
This is just my vision, idea from drifting suspension and I can be very wrong too, however I feel that at least I have got some good ideas how things work in drifting suspensions.
Stock 3dr GL rear from wheel arch to center of hub cap is 355mm that is with fuel tank empty + 20-30kg extra weight at boot, naturally all normal spare tire and jack there. Rear tire pressure 2,1bar tires 185/60/14 brand is Viking protech 500 (performance tires).
GL with Klien made GLT front springs, from wheel ar to center of hub cap is 360mm. Front tire pressure 1,9bar tires 185/60/14 brand is Viking protech 500 (performance tires)
Note, top of strut has this triangle shaped support and those are not too good shape on mine, rubber has gave out and crackling, that causes measure to drop about 2-3mm from normal.
According to factory spec from GLT and GL it should be that front ground clearance 180mm rear 200mm.
Quick calculation from measurements that Ali kindly provided for me, Ali's front is 35mm lower than my front, rear 55mm, tires make of course some difference here if tire diameter is not same.
Damper travel in 300 front is 158mm and by default I think it is over 90mm used when car is at rest and level surface, that would leave approx 70mm bump damping, when you lower 35mm that would leave 35mm bump damping, rest is rebound ie. freely available for roll, which you may limit with stiffer dampers and roll bars, also with cutting dampers short.
One thing I'm forgetting here is that there is something like 50mm long bump stops on front dampers, which are bit like extra springs, very stiff, they are made from thick rubber. I need to measure what is real position of damper when car is at level to get my calculations bit more useful and precise.
Stock suspension is so soft, that car is leaning against bump stops on corners or if those are removed, then car is using 100% of bump travel, that makes handling to change dramatically, for example if front is 100% that would mean spring stiffness of infinite causing loads of understeer, if this happens at rear only it will mean oversteer.
This is just quick analysis with very poor facts to let you have small idea what is happening in suspension, remember to read from other part of forum my post about lowering suspension, there is little information about roll center and what it does, very important to know and understand if you are lowering car for handling purpose.
You can make whole suspension with numbers and put that to practice, this way you can't go wrong
Drifting is of course bit different from grip, when drifting you don't like balance to be changed or lot of weight transfer, you like to limit suspension movements so that you can kick tail out easily and keep it there so that it won't grip by itself, rear ARB is good and stiff rear dampers, softer to front.
This is just my vision, idea from drifting suspension and I can be very wrong too, however I feel that at least I have got some good ideas how things work in drifting suspensions.
Volvo 360GL -88 -under restoration-
Volvo 343DL vario -81 -running-
Volvo 240 Diesel -83 -undecided-
Citroen ZX Dturbo -97 -daily-
Volvo 343DL vario -81 -running-
Volvo 240 Diesel -83 -undecided-
Citroen ZX Dturbo -97 -daily-
Just got back from another outing. My car is f**king amazing in the wet!!! So so so damn controllable and easy, could sit there relaxing and putting the window wipers on whilst going through big puddles haha, only one picture at the moment but should have a video by this evening........
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Sweet! Now if you had that control, with enough power to break it loose in the dry.... 300s FTW, I think...
cheers
James
300s FTW, I think...cheers
James
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'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
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'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
Indeed, it'll drift in the dry at the moment but im almost flat out 100% of the time, in the wet you can totally moderate the throttle and do exactly what you want. Really really needs a turbo engine to give the same effect in the dry 
My mate with the video camera just said he watched the footage and it looked pretty good so hopefully should be encoded and editted into a video soon!
My mate with the video camera just said he watched the footage and it looked pretty good so hopefully should be encoded and editted into a video soon!Down to one car shocker! 1994 200sx S14 119k
Right well my mate still hasn't made an edit from the original footage. I managed to get all the original footage onto video cassette last night and then just filmed it now using a digital camera so quality isn't great but not that bad.......
http://media.putfile.com/volvo-38
edit: just realised I missed a clip off there so here's an extra..
http://media.putfile.com/volvo2
http://media.putfile.com/volvo-38
edit: just realised I missed a clip off there so here's an extra..
http://media.putfile.com/volvo2
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Proper version although its got a fair bit of the better footage I put in my previous post missing 
http://www.touringnet.co.uk/andy/ali_andy_wheels2.wmv
http://www.touringnet.co.uk/andy/ali_andy_wheels2.wmv
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KONE KILLAH!
Nice work there mate, but don't stack the damn thing, FFS, it's far too tidy!
cheers
James
Nice work there mate, but don't stack the damn thing, FFS, it's far too tidy!
cheers
James
VOC 300-series Register Keeper
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
Yeah tell me about it! lol, felt so damn close! I went for the handbrake to drag the drift out to the middle cross over section but the car decided to change direction as I yanked it heading me straight for the barrier! Then stamped the brakes and locked up all 4 and slid parallel facing the barrier haha! Not going to be drifting it for a while again now as i've switched the insurance over to the S40 and then I can start the cage build and possibly engine swaps.petefarrell360 wrote:Bit close to that barrier at the end!
Pete
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