Climate taxes

[volvosneverdie]

Volvosneverdie-Evil scientists in films are not normally peer reviewed and their results not normally replicated, unlike respected scientists. This is partly the point and why I do tent to trust them, and this is what it comes down to, there is lots of propaganda as I have explained above. It very easy for people to get sucked into this. But then this is all a bit like terrorism the just cause is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, except in this case there is an absolute truth. As I have said before it comes down believing in an industry design to find the truth, or one designed to make as money as possible.

this reasures me greatly.

No normal individuals can have a useful argument about the science.

defining the norm has its own pitfalls dude.

dismissing the views of others when they contradict your own is the road to politics.
i would hate to be described as normal.
abnomality is what defines the individual.
but i appreciate your points. all well made.

[jtbo]

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth I am merely summarising what I think you are saying, and your text is all we have to go on. If you don't want to be judged on it then don't write it. To be honest it is hard to figure your reasoning out because you have so many reasons to not believe then you finish with ..'why should we bother since others are not going to do enough to make a difference'. Solutions are irrelevant if you don't believe in it, contributing or not when others may or may not follow is a whole other discussion.

Anyway I have to say I am not an expert on the IPCC corruption you mention, have you any reason why we should believe you, do you know someone in the IPCC, or are you just recanting news articles you have read. Simply I happen to think the CO2 must affect the atmosphere because of basic physics, the amount is increasing rapidly (or is that conspiracy driven errors too?) due to mans activities. It is only the level of effect that is up for debate. The so called negative feedbacks do not seem to be controlling the CO2 level.

Volvosneverdie-Evil scientists in films are not normally peer reviewed and their results not normally replicated, unlike respected scientists. This is partly the point and why I do tent to trust them, and this is what it comes down to, there is lots of propaganda as I have explained above. It very easy for people to get sucked into this. But then this is all a bit like terrorism the just cause is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, except in this case there is an absolute truth. As I have said before it comes down believing in an industry design to find the truth, or one designed to make as money as possible. No normal individuals can have a useful argument about the science.

The only place I do not trust science is in areas of morality, for which it has little answers. Religion would be useful for this if it just weren't so damned religious.

Alarmists are always trying to silence any other opinions, also they smoothly skip all information provided to them, so it is just pointless to argue with them, it is the case with religion too.

[sven360]

CO2 this CO2 that.

All a load of mumbo jumbo to this simpleton.

Act on CO2-do me a favour-the Chinese are extinguishing coal seams that have been burning for three centuries and I'm supposed to beat mysel' up when one of the little Sven's leaves the bathroom light on

Are my little yellow friends putting out the fires to help me or the rest of the planet????
Erm ..............No.They're doing it to preserve their fossil fuel reserves so they can continue manufacturing plastic tat that you get free with a dog turd before tossing on the tip.
Where I come from worrying about such nonsense is akin to urinating into a strong headwind.

Only plus point to all this is the fish are getting bigger.
In the words of Chief Brody,"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nster.html

[jtbo]

CO2 this CO2 that.

All a load of mumbo jumbo to this simpleton.

Act on CO2-do me a favour-the Chinese are extinguishing coal seams that have been burning for three centuries and I'm supposed to beat mysel' up when one of the little Sven's leaves the bathroom light on

Are my little yellow friends putting out the fires to help me or the rest of the planet????
Erm ..............No.They're doing it to preserve their fossil fuel reserves so they can continue manufacturing plastic tat that you get free with a dog turd before tossing on the tip.
Where I come from worrying about such nonsense is akin to urinating into a strong headwind.

Only plus point to all this is the fish are getting bigger.
In the words of Chief Brody,"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nster.html

Indeed, planned new taxes are going to cost me 4000 euros more in a year alone because of cars that I own, I have to pay that much even I can drive only one car at time, now it is not only those costs, then other planned taxes will hit heavily because I live at country side in old house, it does not matter how much I consume energy.

It will not change anything else just that I will get rather poor, there will not be any change to co2 levels I produce no matter how much they tax as there is no any realistic way to lower them as I already produce so little amount of those, I consume too little, so what use it is that with taxes they take all possibilities from me to invest newer technology?

With yearly income of around 20 000 that 4000 is killing my hobbies and about everything else, this just sucks. All because of some lunatics take some scientist opinions as it would be word from god, I'm really pissed.

Our politicians replies are along lines, "it does not hurt to make actions in fight against climate change", they get 0 effect to millions years of changing climate, but they get all industry to move into China or some other countries, also they get our lives messed up as we won't have any money to live.

Only way to get situation even slightly better to me would be of finding proof of low CO2 emissions of 360GL and to my other cars, but it seem to be task impossible as everyone is religiously believing old car being problem to enviroment and naturally producing more CO2 than it really is.

I can understand perfectly well why some people blow themselves up, preferrably near some politicians, they are just tad stupid, imo

[Ride_on]

hmm I can see why you are pissed, that is a stupid amount of taxes and totally not related to consumption. In fairness I would bet that is was not a climate scientist that recommended blanket taxes, this is usually to help the new car industry.

You are also right that I cannot counteract your propaganda reports, this is why I say it is more important to decide who you trust. It takes a while for real scientist to debunk these anti-GW articles and the anti-GW people have more money to produce them at a higher rate, alot of this stuff is new. Also they are probably comfortable in their own seats that the articles are rubbish and arrogant that they need to do nothing about it. I do wish they would do more about it, there are so many people like you that are not happy with what their gov't are doing and the anti-GW reports make out the scientists to be the corrupt ones.

[jtbo]

I can say only one thing, if rapid global warming is true, it means this for us:


But if skeptics are right it means this for us:



So how do you choose?

I'm bloody certain that I will make my best to get this place warm up reaallly quick

[jtbo]

Are we really pulled from leg this bad? Can this be real?
http://www.examiner.com/x-25061-Climate ... and-emails

If that can be confirmed it should mean big clean up operation among scientists and global reconsideration of politics, well it should, that is horrible, real catastrophy, our world is about to plunge into deep recession created by climate politics and if stolen stuff is real, it is going to be quite largely without any base of reality, just few lying scientists that have manipulated data which other scientists can use.

It would be bigger surprise if it is found out that stolen stuff would not be real deal, there has been so many discoveries of lies already, so it would not be really exceptional to find more of them.

edit: Read stuff yourself, make your own conclusions:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/3168330

[volvodspec]

I can say only one thing, if rapid global warming is true, it means this for us:

woow i do like them to be right about this part

[jtbo]

woow i do like them to be right about this part

We all do, too bad it is dark outside, otherwise I would of shown you our current reality, snow, fog, rain, bastardly cold, no sugababes out there, last night it was -2.5C now it is almost +3C, damned you warm sea current that did hit golf stream

[sven360]

Reading thru some of the emails involved with "climategate" it would appear some of our scientific friends aren't as squeaky clean as they would like to make out.

Indeed Dr Jones has sourced over $22 million in funding over recent yrs.So no bias there,then.

Hadley CRU,shame on you.

Hacker More like an insider blowing open the can of worms.
Makes for classic reading if you've the time.

[jtbo]

Sad thing is that they can probably keep doing it like nothing had happened

[sven360]

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 24017.html

Little article from our agenda driven friends.

Their silence now is almost deafening.

[sven360]

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 24017.html

Little article from our agenda driven friends.

Their silence now is almost deafening.

[Speedy88]

It's amazing what you can make people believe with just words eh?

[jtbo]

Of course new taxes are in effect...