Please take title at comedy value Everything else is deadly serious:


Ok, I'll only say this once. RE: This topic: http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum-uk/v ... 36&start=0 as well as drifters etc.

I love 300s but we have to stop hating on people because they're more destructive than us. I'm assuming he paid money for that car, so he's entitled to do what he wants with that money. If that means throwing it away, so be it. That just makes him stupid, not a "scumbag"

Drifters may one day ruin the number of rwd cars around, as they are doing in all car communities. But just like banger racers, they are STILL CAR ENTHUSIASTS. The drifting community does a lot of preservation of once disposable cars. Think about what would be happening without the drifters. Where would the cars end up? Probably mostly like this when all the old people die:



There are tens of thousands of 340, 360, BMW 3 series, fords, J-tin, ladas, BLs (well maybe not BLs ). There are hundreds of car owners. You can't just expect all of the cars to end up preserved and restored forever. There aren't enough of us to do that. And yes, like this car, minters will get broken too.

It's a SOCIAL problem that cars have become disposable like everything else in our lives, blame the fucking government instead of other car enthusiasts.

(This deserves a separate topic so please keep the discussions on this subject here, rather than destroying other topics with the drifter/minter debate)

that post was just for a bit of fun and to liven up the forum, least he didnt put it in the scrappage scheme and its still on the road!!!

Dont you oppress me.
I'll hate whoever I want.

I don't hate drifters, but a gentleman buying a car, making it impractical, getting bored of it, then wanting something more practical than the car he'd just painstaking gone out of his way to make impractical seems to me a waste of time effort and endevor. He seems to revel in it though.
Hope it goes to another drifter that gets some good fun out of it.

I will now stop saying practical.

theo2468 wrote:that post was just for a bit of fun and to liven up the forum, least he didnt put it in the scrappage scheme and its still on the road!!!

Ah yeah, don't get me wrong it wasn't aimed at you. Just the recent general atmosphere over the past 6 months or so A lot of people get daily mail syndrome and get outraged over something that doesn't really matter without constructively thinking of reasons/solutions. It's self destructive and can only ruin this community and I fancy not reading about it any more.

I don't know, what I see is that at least in here, is that there are only those drifted to death or rusted to death cars available anymore, many are destroyed for split second fun, which seems highly illogical behaviour.

It is most heart broking when well kept low mileage car is sacrified for split second fun, when there would be lot more appropriate canditates for such activity while those trying to maintain and collect good condition original cars can't no more find good ones.

Such acticity I do dislike, but I can't say that I would hate such persons, more I pity them because of their lack of life experience and undertanding. Drifters will realize many things in 20 years, when it is already too late to realize them.

However it is how life is, older persons are seniles that don't understand anything and young persons are rascals that don't care about anything, or something along those lines it has been since the times began and will probably be until times will end.

That still does not mean that moaning should stop, surely in free open world we should be able to voice our opinions even those have no effect on anything, but it is freedom which can't be denied.

That is at least what I have found world to be.

release thy emoticon

freedon of speach (and engineer/tech creativity) were what made the 300 series in the first place!- brainwave.. find a living breathing member of the design team and ask them.
hope they're still here.. fully ticketed and serviced I envision.

At the end of the day, what really kills a car off is low prices (turning them into cheap runarounds) and lack of interest. A positive thing about the drift scene is that a fundamentally uncool car is made interesting to more people, which means in ten years time there may be a few more people around who are happy keep and cherish them. "My grandpa used to have one of those" isn't usually enough to give a car classic status, it does help if you've actually enjoyed and owned one yourself.

There are so many cars which were once popular and are now completely forgotten, let's hope the V300 doesn't end up that way.

Cheers

Tom

trabitom99 wrote:At the end of the day, what really kills a car off is low prices (turning them into cheap runarounds) and lack of interest. A positive thing about the drift scene is that a fundamentally uncool car is made interesting to more people, which means in ten years time there may be a few more people around who are happy keep and cherish them. "My grandpa used to have one of those" isn't usually enough to give a car classic status, it does help if you've actually enjoyed and owned one yourself.

There are so many cars which were once popular and are now completely forgotten, let's hope the V300 doesn't end up that way.

Cheers

Tom

You mean the UK 300 scene when you, me, Foggy, Hugh, Steve etc started? 99p start bids on ebay, winning cars with 99p only person bids. Yes, that did kill most of the 300s as non of the 99p crew were prepared to do the sill and other body work required and it's only been since prices have been starting to push a bit that things were getting better. Thing is, 300's have dropped relatively and everything else gone up again, so it wouldn't surprise me to see a second wave disappear now. On the plus side, dailying them isn't the really good cheap option it once was with lack of parts.

As soon as we get more parts, the normal classic type chap will see them as viable (same with the MGB, mini, whatever else you want, it's only those cars with good parts supply that have become common classics, fan base dictates parts, parts availability dictates fan base) we've seen over the last 2 years a huge increase not only by individuals but companies to start stocking our parts again, this is where we need *everyone* including drifters to make a noise.

The one thing that the rally and drift boys have is the want for shiny things and an uprated part is at least a part that the classic boys can drive to polishing shows with rather than having none.

Good points made. And no, I'm not trying to crush any anti-drifting opinions

It was more the things said from the drifting guys that we're not their biggest fans (not true for at least 90% of the board). People are allowed their opinions but it shouldn't kill the community in the process or drive a big wedge between young and old.

And as for the 300 becoming forgotten... Over my dead body

Opinions others come with to this forum (I imagine from the drifty forums?) will never change as we (I think) try to be welcoming to all. That was certainly the original ethos to the site.

I think it's pretty well known that most of us arn't against a sport, we are against people who don't add to the community. The question each member should keep in his head is what can they bring to our house, not what can they gain. There have been many drifty types who have expanded the greater knowledge we all have to draw upon, it just so happens they also have also in the past had the largest numbers who have leeched, taken good will and not offered it.

I'm fairly happy in saying I can't think of anyone even semi regularly on the site currently who is of that mindset, everyone seems to have the 300 spirit

Chris_C wrote:The question each member should keep in his head is what can they bring to our house.

Oh dear.

Does "encouragment" have any scene value?

Yup, and providing propshafts to those in need at a time of need.

Plus, we need humour, this place would be boring without your attempts at it

i wouldn't be even near as "skilled" as i am today, without those first steps in drifting i made, with my license only a week in the pocket on a wet roundabout where i had a superuncontrolled slide-all-over-the-place drift wich after that made me hungry for more. the countless times i had to fix my first car (red '89 340CVT), getting more handy every time i diagnosed the actual fault and eventually helping other 300 drivers with car/engine trouble. i definatly owe drifting to all that and i still love seeing the smoke from the screaming rear tyres in the mirrors, countersteering your ass off on very bendy roads and the whole lot that makes drifting fun.

knowing that, i definatly don't mind it if a enthousiast buys his 300 and will use the car a bit harder on the road, whether it's rallying of drifting or track racing; as long as he's willying to take care of it, and not just wants to test how long it will take a pile of abuse and dump it when the car finally gives up.. that last bit is what really annoys me lately, just like the "cheap money" trend we had a half year ago (buy car for 60quid > strip interior > spray matt black > DIY lowering weld diff > sell for 750quid as "professional drift car")

most of my schoolmates thought of my car as just an old piece of junk even though engine and bodywork is in good condition. then on a wet day i did a drift in the roundabout in front of the school. most of the other guys with their corsas and golfs looked pretty surprised

i believe that it is yet difficult for the 300 to be regarded as a classic car but (younger) people will respect it as a drift car.

not going to cut my springs and not going to weld my diff but some drifting on wet surface or snow is fine for me + there is alot less wear.

volvodspec wrote:i wouldn't be even near as "skilled" as i am today, without those first steps in drifting i made, with my license only a week in the pocket on a wet roundabout where i had a superuncontrolled slide-all-over-the-place drift wich after that made me hungry for more. the countless times i had to fix my first car (red '89 340CVT), getting more handy every time i diagnosed the actual fault and eventually helping other 300 drivers with car/engine trouble. i definatly owe drifting to all that and i still love seeing the smoke from the screaming rear tyres in the mirrors, countersteering your ass off on very bendy roads and the whole lot that makes drifting fun.

knowing that, i definatly don't mind it if a enthousiast buys his 300 and will use the car a bit harder on the road, whether it's rallying of drifting or track racing; as long as he's willying to take care of it, and not just wants to test how long it will take a pile of abuse and dump it when the car finally gives up.. that last bit is what really annoys me lately, just like the "cheap money" trend we had a half year ago (buy car for 60quid > strip interior > spray matt black > DIY lowering weld diff > sell for 750quid as "professional drift car")

How is it, that you can read my mind so well?