Fuel Prices-Highway Robbery morelike

[volvosneverdie]

Make glow sticks, put them in a steam boiler, use the heat generated from the glow sticks to make steam, use steam turbine to make electrics. Use the electrics to make lots of Tesla Roadster chassis drive 300's. Have earthquake. Deny meltdown. Admit meltdown. Run. Die

Fixed.

[Chris_C]

When have scientists and engineers ever got anything wrong

[macplaxton]

Thorium is quite good. But I know nowt about nuclear reactors, despite having to learnt it for Higher Physics. Could answer the exam questions in the specialist section, so answered the ones in optical instruments instead (which I hadn't been taught, but knew better) and still passed.

[Speedy88]

It really is amazing how scared of nuclear power people are, if they even realised how safe and environmentally friendly it is these days through research rather than speculating whilst watching the news, we might live in a safer greener world. That's right, TV RUINED YOUR LIFE

This whole fukashima thing is a great example. OMGZ NUCLEAR = BAD. Le Sigh.

[sven360]

http://www.supergen-bioenergy.net/Resou ... ET2004.pdf

Whilst prices remain high petrol will never die as previously uneconomic extractions are now viable.Hence.the stocks will last 300yrs+.

Plenty of time to find summit else.

[Hell Driver]

http://www.supergen-bioenergy.net/Resou ... ET2004.pdf

Whilst prices remain high petrol will never die as previously uneconomic extractions are now viable.Hence.the stocks will last 300yrs+.

Plenty of time to find summit else.

I'm 2 miles from that Ikea depot in the info in that link! Didn't know they had one of those installed.

We have an oil boiler here as there's no gas. Looking at getting another multifuel stove for the kitchen in addition to the living room one we have already. Should help to reduce oil usage a lot, burnt a loads of wood and coal over this last winter which really helped. Going to stockpile wood through the summer. As far as we are concerned the end of cheap oil has already begun. £1200+ per year (at current prices) to heat a 3 bedroom semi is crazy. When this feeds through to gas and electricity prices we are all going to feel a sharp pain in the wallet again!
Further to this I just heard tonight on the news that there are rumblings of unrest (Egypt/Tunisia/Lybya style) in energy rich areas of the former USSR, just what we need, more speculation.

Your right about the expense of oil and further exploration becoming economic, tar sands and deep water drilling is here already. We ain't going to run out yet, it's just that it's going to get more and more expensive. This should drive research into alternative energy sources as they become a more viable option too.
The theory about the peak oil scenario goes that we reach a 'bumpy plateau' on the graph showing oil prices. As cost goes up, demand drops off (demand destruction) and then the price falls again. Demand picks up again due to cheaper oil and then prices go up again followed by demand falling again.

[Hell Driver]

Oil prices have just fallen dramatically due to the strong dollar and worries about the American economy

Down to $109 per barrel from around $125 a few days ago.

Watch those supermarkets and service stations and oil suppliers sit on the fall in price until they have bigger margins

Don't fill/make long trips yet if you don't have to, wait for the petrol price to drop first (might take a while though).

If the world population all used as little as poss now for a month and made the price crash we could screw the b*****ds!

Could this be the early signs of peak oil, as discussed already? Demand destruction by high oil prices slowing already weakened economies, followed by an oil price fall (as in after 2008 $147 down to less than $50 per barrel). I've been expecting a rapid fall soon (so held off on the heating oil) lets see how far it goes this time.

Expect oil to rise again though later as it's part of the cycle. Everyone thinks 'great lets go back to how we were', driving, buying, making and flying, and helped by demand in the east, demand will outstrip supply.

I'm either talking conspiracy tosh or something fundamental is going on here I'm not sure which

The scary thing is if this is real, things will never be quite the same again!

[trabitom99]

I've been filling up in dribs and drabs too, waiting for the oil price fall to make a difference at the pumps. Not much has happened so far though ...

Tom

[jtbo]

Diesel is over $7,5 US gallon here, americans are crying because their price is nearing $5 or so.

1,416€/ litre diesel here. Petrol is a lot more expensive.

Still need to pay over 500 euros extra taxes because having a diesel.

My best tank so far is 80.7mpg (UK), last tank was 77.4mpg (UK), we are talking about 870-930 miles on single tank of diesel, finally manged to get my driving expenses to level where they used to be few years ago when diesel was 1€/litre, but it does require quite lot of work and still when there is bad conditions it is not possible to get so great economy, so more work needed, but with my driving it really feels on pocket, in last 6 fillups I have saved around 240 US dollars according to log and only last two fillups have been really great, but slowly I will save enough to get a new used french crap

[foggyjames]

I'm with Tony - for the vast majority of motorists, fundamental change is needed. We just can't go on burning oil like we are. The minor flaw in the plan is that a viable alternative is required...

I liked Jay Leno's theory...if you do a lot of miles, do it in your diesel/hybrid/fuel cell car/pedal car/cow-fart-methane-mobile...then drive your classic car at the weekend. If you only do 5k miles a year in your older car anyway, who cares about its emissions? The number of people doing that is so small that fuel usage is essentially an irrelevance. The people who need to be stopped are people like me - burning a TON of fuel (28k miles last year at ~30mpg) because it's so expensive to buy an equivalent diesel car.

It's what the head of Lamborghini said a few years ago. I forget the exact numbers, but it was something like "we could achieve a 50% improvement in emissions of our vehicles, but a 1% improvement in the VW 1.9TDI unit (within the same family of companies, of course) would have a much greater impact because so many of those engines are sold, and they do so many miles".

cheers

James

[jtbo]

I don't see any point in reducing emissions, it will have 0 real effect to about anything really, at least not here.

But I can easily see point in reducing amount of fuel used, oil will not be running out in 300 years, but speed which it can be extracted will see peak while consumption is still growing faster each year, that can't be changed, not even if whole europe would work together, it would delay problems for few years, other countries, like China and India are increasing their consumption so fast that it is meaningless to consumption increase what we do here.

Where it counts is that if consumption can be made enough low, we can make fuel from some other stuff for europe and while rest are meeting fuel shortage we can drive on with low fuel consumption, but it is not possible to produce so much fuel for europe that current level of consumption will be satisfied.

You can check it with doing simple math.

Today many will laugh at my stupid looking car, but in 10 years there will be companies making upgrades to older car aerodynamics so that they would consume lot less.

In US they are modifying already their big rigs, 10-20% reduction in fuel consumption with such modifications.

There is not much more than 10 years of time, in 20 years prices will be too high, in 30-40 years there will be no fossil petrol available to our market as other markets will have better ability to pay from stuff.

In 5 years I should have got and modified a daily which should run easily under 3 litres / 100km, maybe soon then our government will wake up and allow usage of alternative fuels.

I hope to see new battery technology that would store decent amount of electricity in 15 years, that would be the key for independence in power usage.

Lighter vehicles, with better aerodynamics and a lot longer life spans would be required, current eco disastrous touting of new is better and selling new cars by eco talks is disgusting.

40-50% reduction in fuel consumption of current older cars is not even difficult to achieve, selling new car that consumes 10% less in name of green world should be declared a crime, imo.

[germ]

also everyone should check and fix leaks especially fuel leaks 12mpg from a 1.5 diesel caused by leaking fuel pump and a sieve like fuel tank full of holes, i believe 300's can suffer from leaky fuel stuff i remember having to replace all the expansion tank hoses under the plastic trim.

[sven360]

Get a company vehicle,job sorted

[jtbo]

Get a company vehicle,job sorted

Like here green party member claimed that he rides a bus, so he does not use fossil fuels for his transportation needs. Only problem is that he did ride a diesel bus

[Hell Driver]

Proof that supermarkets rip you off

This happened the day after I posted that the oil price had dropped a few posts back (9 MAY 2011)

Day1 Oil price drops by 18% Sainsburys Edenthorpe Doncaster Diesel price stands at £1.39/litre

Day 2 Sainsburys Diesel price rises to £1.40/litre

Day 3 Sainsburys Diesel price drops to £1.38/litre

Day 4 Oil price maintains a much lower (if up a little on day 1) price BUT Sainsburys Diesel price back up to £1.39/litre

Result: Fuel price at the pump maintains its price despite 15% lower oil price. Also people come in thinking it's now £1.38/litre having seen it at that the day before.