What to do....

[Frits]

Haha lol.. I bought a peug 205 diesel for DD....

[jtbo]

I'm actually looking to buy new Subaru Legacy diesel at the moment, running costs will be lot higher, but seeing what kind of insanity there is on roads, I feel better off with 5 star safety rating than whatever 240 has

It is just so bloody expensive, services and all that + loan payments, but if I try to make 5 years of that, it should get better after that.

[foggyjames]

...or how about something 3 years old...S60 D5, or similar? It's surely almost as good on fuel and MUCH cheaper. At least that's how it works over here. I know cars don't get cheaper as quickly over there.

cheers

James

[jtbo]

...or how about something 3 years old...S60 D5, or similar? It's surely almost as good on fuel and MUCH cheaper. At least that's how it works over here. I know cars don't get cheaper as quickly over there.

cheers

James

I won't get any FWD cars, never ever (kid voice)
Besides I need car that I can drive, not one that will spend half of it's life in garage, new Volvos are quite bad in that, also awd in those is bareable as best.

Car will loose it's price about as quickly as I'm able to pay it, many people change car before warranty ends, but I don't know, can't pay it that fast, but also I know that one co-worker changed car even he had not paid that.

Subaru seem to be reliable, best AWD(almost 4wd), offers loads for money and is under 9 seconds to 0-60

[foggyjames]

I guess AWD may be a bigger deal for you than it is here, but I've found FWD to be ok, as long as you're driving normally. If you try to have fun at low speeds, you'll just spin the wheels, but if you act a bit more like a grown up, it's ok

I've not heard bad things about the new cars in general, although the small models S40 / V50 / etc don't have a good reputation. There are a few specific bugs with the bigger cars, but they generally seem to be bomb-proof.

My S70 is proving to be more reliable than my Dad's 940 has been...

cheers

James

[jtbo]

TÜV reports seem to show that S60 is for example one of worse volvos, but even s/v70 are worse than s40/v50.

Then with used cars it is mostly from luck, that is how previous owners have been using and servicing car. Some people just use car as they keep it 5 years at max, buying such is very bad as you get only crap car that need complete rebuild. Bit like my 240 actually.

AWD is very useful here, I spent today lot of time sideways on gravel roads, except there was no gravel, just fresh snow, so I drove 80-100kph and threw car sideways about every corner using whole road ('private road') and had ton of fun, but surely when doing long trips to work up north, it would be better to have bit more stability.

Could get new car earliest next year I think (new automatic + 6-speed is released at next autumn so no point getting 5 speed that has not so good gearing) so have to work with 240 at least this year

[foggyjames]

My friend used to work at a Volvo dealership. He said there were next to no issues with S60s, V70s, or S80s. S40s and V50s gave annoying, regular trouble. R models seem problematic in some cases, but that's about it. The only other problem I know of is injectors going on D5s (expensive), but I don't know exactly what this is all about.

As for the older cars...I can't think of any fundamental issues with the (phase one) S70/V70, as long as you steer clear of AWD versions.

I really don't think reliability is a reason to avoid a newer Volvo. The newer Haldex AWD system is pretty good, too. However, I think your heart is set on a Scoob

cheers

James

[jtbo]

At least in here I have read enough horrible stuff from Volvo to keep me off for at least decade or so, unless they start to make proper cars again
But modern Volvos don't interest me on any level really, maybe only thing that appeals to me in them is that they are rather rust free, but that is not much. Not enough quiet, not enough space, I don't even like how they drive or look

Could be that there is no single car that I could consider buying at new, depends how scooby will feel on test drive, but it has pretty good value for money and at least it is not fake awd like almost any other system.

Even Haldex is at least bit more working system than visco was, it still lacks big time, specially it is very unpredictable you never know if it will understeer or oversteer and when it does something it does it quite sudden. Of course in normal driving it is not that much of problem to most and it does it's job when accelerating from lights, but feeling it gives on corner and when you find out blind corner was mirror like ice instead of snow, there I don't get feeling of trust to it.
I have heard that should be different with scoobie, so need to test it, and crash to light pole in process I guess

Some years ago I did test souped up Leone, it was pretty nice how predictable it was, even it was rather crap in some other areas, well over 200hp with 3" straight pipe (damn loud) and loud sounds of woosh and hiss of course helped a bit
Surely modern versions are very different, I fear worse

But damn ugly those all modern soap boxes are, I'm sure cars would look different if people always did mail to manufacturer their true feelings how car does look.

BTW, here used D5 awd costs around same as new diesel scooby

[Ronnie]

I've been doing some research on high tech diesels. They are extremely sophisticated, extremely complicated and that is going to inevitably imply longevity problems. I wouldn't touch a high milage common rail diesel with a barge pole...

[jtbo]

I've been doing some research on high tech diesels. They are extremely sophisticated, extremely complicated and that is going to inevitably imply longevity problems. I wouldn't touch a high milage common rail diesel with a barge pole...

Sooner or later those are surely giving you problems, so I think it is better to get one new and drive max 250 000km before getting another one

[germ]

Jani i think you have become a bit rice with that new job of yours

scoobs and sideways action i think turbo your 240 and pimp it up = cheaper than new scoob.

Sorted

[jtbo]

Over 10 hours on road after work day sure is forcing bit out from Volvo, even Volvo has good seats, lights and sound is not bad. It is just so fragile compared to modern car in accident situation.

However I got offer from house that is quite competitive, don't know if it is possible to get both, but also don't know if either is worth getting in first place, but I must examine

[Ronnie]

Face it Jani, buying a brand new car is never about value for money!

[foggyjames]

There's no doubt that a 240 isn't as tough as an equivalent modern car (mainly because almost all modern cars now weigh so much)...but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. You're driving one of the safest cars of its generation, and it's a damn sight safer than many cars half its age.

cheers

James

[jtbo]

Face it Jani, buying a brand new car is never about value for money!

Money is made to switch hands anyway

Of course it is financially quite bad, but situation is quite different also, approx 60 000km in a year, working su-(late)fri, not much time to spend with car really except to drive it.

Would be cheaper if I had this antiFWD lock in my brain also

Check video from 940 vx Modus from youtube, it is of course purposely made, but there is no deniying it that safety in old bricks is made so that these uses other car's body to kill energy, but when it faces modern high grade steel problems starts, even you would not crush into car, your internal organs get destroyed due sudden stop.

Controlled slow slowing is thus better