Getrag+760 multilink+360 torque tube
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Exactly...although an M47 should handle 250+bhp, you'll have to be a little careful with how you drive it. With the Getrag, you can treat it with less respect They're very strong boxes, given how small they are. They also tend to have nice ratios.
cheers
James
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James
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'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
I can't believe how fast this guy is manufacturing these custom parts..
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0077;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0125;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0127;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0129;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0131;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0133;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0135;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0139;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0141;image
Btw that same guy is the one responsible for that 300-series with Jaguar V12. The white one which pic has been floating around for ages. I read from an old topic that he built it in somewhere around '96 and '97 It had a Chevy 10 bolt 8.5" rear axle and finally he had twin turbos in it. There are build pics in thise topic http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php?topic=728.40
And if I read correctly he also has a Formula 1 replica which he has built himself.
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0077;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0125;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0127;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0129;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0131;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0133;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0135;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0139;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0141;image
Btw that same guy is the one responsible for that 300-series with Jaguar V12. The white one which pic has been floating around for ages. I read from an old topic that he built it in somewhere around '96 and '97 It had a Chevy 10 bolt 8.5" rear axle and finally he had twin turbos in it. There are build pics in thise topic http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php?topic=728.40
And if I read correctly he also has a Formula 1 replica which he has built himself.
Last edited by Fuse on 09 Mar 2008 07:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Having a workshop like that and fabrication skills must help a lot Mark's (Bertiebandit) 142 resto / build is coming along quickly, bearing in mind that he's very busy. I guess knowing there's nothing to hold you back helps!
cheers
James
cheers
James
VOC 300-series Register Keeper
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
He found a 4-linked, reinforced de-dion axle with watts-link and upgraded drive shafts and cv-joints. It's from some old competition model 300-series. Bearings are also much larger.
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0358;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0360;image
Quite a nice find, wouldn't mind to find one for my self..
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0358;image
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 0360;image
Quite a nice find, wouldn't mind to find one for my self..
Volvo R-Sport - Equipment for the car enthusiast.
“Buy land, they're not making it anymore” - Mark Twain
"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." -Ernest Hemingway
“Buy land, they're not making it anymore” - Mark Twain
"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." -Ernest Hemingway
He has driven ~300km with the new setup and says it's working great. Only minus is the louder noise of the new box (as it is a Getrag which are known to be quite loud) but it's hardly a minus.. Gear changes are sharp etc... works very well he writes.
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“Buy land, they're not making it anymore” - Mark Twain
"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." -Ernest Hemingway
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"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." -Ernest Hemingway
I help Fuse to update this topic
Unfortunate, the drivetrain now is broken.
Peter did a 402-meter-race and got best time/speed: 12,533s @ 194,04 km/h! This with NOS on 3:d gear.
In the fifth run something in the drivetrain breaks.
Himself think it is the axle in the torque tube that has breaked in two..
Or the splines in the clutch-plate that has given after.
No one knows at the time beqause he has not taken a look yet.
Unfortunate, the drivetrain now is broken.
Peter did a 402-meter-race and got best time/speed: 12,533s @ 194,04 km/h! This with NOS on 3:d gear.
In the fifth run something in the drivetrain breaks.
Himself think it is the axle in the torque tube that has breaked in two..
Or the splines in the clutch-plate that has given after.
No one knows at the time beqause he has not taken a look yet.
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Volvo 360GL 1987, B230 with high comp. 531+V-cam
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
http://www.300power.com
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
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It would be interesting to get an update, when Peter knows what failed.
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James
cheers
James
VOC 300-series Register Keeper
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
True, thanks for the reminder. Im not so often here at V3M. 300 Power takes all the timefoggyjames wrote:It would be interesting to get an update, when Peter knows what failed.
cheers
James
Here is the "weak" link of Peters driveline:
Broken transaxle:
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 1797;image
Nice surface at the "cut":
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 1799;image
If you look carefully you can se that the splines are twisted:
http://www.300power.com/forum/index.php ... 1801;image
And the cause to this is:
344 hp at 5026 rpm @ 495 nm at 4895 rpm! (Without NOS)
453 hp at 4851 rpm @ 686 nm at 4573 rpm! (Whith 100hk NOS)
All measured on the wheels and with 1.2 bar of boost!
The recipe:
Engine block: b230fk with oilcooled pistons.
Pistons: b230fk shopped 3mm because of the marine
crankshaft.
Crankshaft: Marine crankshaft -86 mm stroke = 2½ litre.
Pistonstakes: Big b230 stakes
Flywheel: Lightened original, modified for 184mm clutch
Clutch: Double-plate ap-racing 184mm, good for about 800nm
Head: 531-head, ported at intake & exhaust + modified
chambers, bigger stainless valves: in 46mm @ out 39mm.
Vx3 camshaft.
Compressionratio 9,3:1
Manifold: 940 turbo
Turbo: T3-04 from Sierra Cosworth,modified with larger turbine
& milled exhausthouse. Ported wastegate canal +
360° axialbearing. Vsr balansed.
Injection: Orginal Bosch LU-Jetronic. With 360cc injectors and 1,4:1
regulator.
Addon
Injection: Homemade. 3 st 800cc injectors.
Adjustable in rpm & map.
NOZ: Nx system with one nozzel. Nozzels: 25-100hp.
Normaly uses 80hp.
Inter-
cooler: Kina model in aluminium.
Boost
valve: Recirculateing model in aluminium.
Ignition: Original Renix + Ems 6 retarding box.
Plugs: Ngk br8es
Fuel: E85 (85% Ethanol + 15% Gasoline) Buy it at almoust every
gasstation in Sweden.
Sorry for the poor english
Last edited by FREJ on 03 Aug 2008 01:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Volvo 360GL 1987, B230 with high comp. 531+V-cam
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
http://www.300power.com
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
http://www.300power.com
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That's a nice hardware spec! My only thoughts...it looks like he could really do with changing the factory management with "add-ons" to a programmable standalone system...I get kinda nervous when seeing factory systems 'adapted' like this. Reliability at this level has so much to do with accuracy of tuning.
Interesting news regarding the drivetrain. To be fair...if the torque tube can hold ~350whp, I'm not concerned for my plans...
cheers
James
Interesting news regarding the drivetrain. To be fair...if the torque tube can hold ~350whp, I'm not concerned for my plans...
cheers
James
VOC 300-series Register Keeper
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
Obviously his add-on do its job, and also Renix. But I agree, myself driving with Megasqurt controlling injection, ignition and more.foggyjames wrote:That's a nice hardware spec! My only thoughts...it looks like he could really do with changing the factory management with "add-ons" to a programmable standalone system...I get kinda nervous when seeing factory systems 'adapted' like this. Reliability at this level has so much to do with accuracy of tuning.
Interesting news regarding the drivetrain. To be fair...if the torque tube can hold ~350whp, I'm not concerned for my plans...
cheers
James
Here are Peters experience about the strength of the driveline:
Differential+housing ~200hp
M47R gearbox ~250hp
Sleeve between gearbox and transaxle ~250hp
Transaxle ~300hp
Driveshafts ~250hp
This is what the driveline manage if you drive nice, no burnouts, jumpy starts, wheelspin on gravel and then continuing out onto asfalt. And so on...
You could damage the driveline with 100hp if you act foolish
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Volvo 360GL 1987, B230 with high comp. 531+V-cam
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
http://www.300power.com
MS1 V2 + 337cc injectors, fuelpressure 3,5kg. Running Ethanol since 2004
Timo Extractor Manifold 4-2-1
http://www.300power.com
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It's tricky to talk about driveline strength in BHP. Torque is the number which breaks drivetrain parts. For example, a 16v Turbo will typically be 'safer' than an 8v, as it will usually make the same power with less torque (making peak power at higher RPM). I think that's why a certain white 16vT on this forum is holding up ok at over 300bhp.
Those numbers look pretty good for a 8v turbo. Perhaps we need to use Hyabusa Turbo engines instead
We use MS too, FREJ Cool system...
cheers
James
Those numbers look pretty good for a 8v turbo. Perhaps we need to use Hyabusa Turbo engines instead
We use MS too, FREJ Cool system...
cheers
James
VOC 300-series Register Keeper
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...
'89 740 Turbo Intercooler
'88 360 Turbo Intercooler
'85 360 GLT
'81 343 GLS R-Sport
'79 343 DL
'70 164
...and some modern FWD nonsense to get me to work...