Let's play with engines :)

Post by **SteveP** » 18 Mar 2008 01:20 pm

Why not just get some new gas dampers, that'll surely be better than bodged oil filled - and are your springs cut or stiffened/shorter? Looks like you need moar powerz to stop the bogging down

Post by **griffo20022** » 18 Mar 2008 01:43 pm

bodge oil filled is cheaper if it means they'll last out for a little longer lmao!

You reckon I need more powers even though i've got the clio lump in there? It should be perfectly capable, although I definately think i need the carbs setting up big time, I think it has a pretty bad flat spot around 3K

Post by **Jason B** » 18 Mar 2008 02:31 pm

it definitely looked like you needed moar powaz, either that or you need a bit more commitment and rev the engine a bit more

Post by **Chris_C** » 18 Mar 2008 03:24 pm

I'd say it'll be a LOT happier when you get the carbs tuned, it looked a lot more like lack of pick up in places, but then I wasn't in the car

Looking good though mate

Post by **griffo20022** » 18 Mar 2008 06:00 pm

Yer, well I know and have seen these with Clio lumps in being more than capable of drifting bigtime! I'm definately gonna have to get these carbs looked at me thinks.....more money *Sigh* lol!

It definately feels like it has flat spots though, after 5K it goes like a trooper! I personally think there overfuelling slightly so it's hindering the carbs until higher up in the rev range. More manfoot wouldn't go a miss either hehe! Just always that worry in the back of my head about if transmission dies lol!

Post by **Jason B** » 18 Mar 2008 06:46 pm

you don't need to worry about killing transmissions drifting like that, only when doing silly things like 5k clutch dumps from standing starts.

With regards to power, some of the best drifitng I've ever seen was by a mk1 escort with a 1.7 crossflow!!

Post by **SteveP** » 18 Mar 2008 06:53 pm

I'd imagine you'll kill a prop before the transmission... and good that you've done all the essentials like fresh oil etc. Get the carbs set up and I'm sure it'll make a huge difference!

Post by **kaos** » 18 Mar 2008 11:38 pm

Jason B wrote:you don't need to worry about killing transmissions drifting like that, only when doing silly things like 5k clutch dumps from standing starts.

With regards to power, some of the best drifitng I've ever seen was by a mk1 escort with a 1.7 crossflow!!

meh maxed out the revs in mine managed to get both wheels to psin i have a video of it as well. but then i also fecked the track up that day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZVuxseBOC0

stock 1.4:D ftw

Post by **Frits** » 19 Mar 2008 12:13 am

Some tips from my hand. I've done (some real) drifting for a year now, began with the original 1.4, which ins't a problem to start with. You start with a 16v, which is more than capable like you say. I'm drifting the 1.4 turbo, and i am thinking the 16v would be easyer.

Your suspension setup is completely wrong. If I'm looking at my car, which handle and drifts very nice If you ask me, its stock suspension on the front (cut one coil) and rear. Koni dampers front and rear. Rear dampers are set pretty stiff, front is set pretty soft.

You definately need softer front or lots of more stiff rear. Believe me.. Try to get a car which wants to lift the rear wheel a bit. Especially like our underpowered volvo's. (60- 150 hp is underpowered if you ask me) You'll have to win by setup of the suspension.

Hope I can help a bit . If you want to ask more, dont hesitate.

Edit: oh, and about the transmision. Don't worry to much. I'm hitting the clutch a lots of time by 7000rpm from zero speed. Didn't killed anything yet. Prop, clutch, even plate, everything is original and can handle lots of abuse. i'm thinking the 1.4 turbo has more tourge than the 16v.

Post by **griffo20022** » 19 Mar 2008 09:50 am

Some good advice there Frits thanks for that

I know for definate the rear needs stiffening which is why i'll be going for the landrover shocks, although I know what your saying with the front needing to be a little softer than the rear too, which i'm pretty sure the thicker oil in the front won't make it as stiff as the rears, we'll see how it goes lol! There is one guy I know who has already done both of these and his car seems to handle it REALLY well!

Post by **pistonpen paultje** » 19 Mar 2008 03:32 pm

What do those Landrover shocks look like?

Post by **pyro** » 19 Mar 2008 07:31 pm

i believe the landy shocks should be off a 90 or a 110 defender, im sure some one will point it out if im wrong, but from memory i can compare landrover shocks to volvo shocks as ive changed both! ive never done this conversion cos tbh id never heard of it till now!

youll probably get some rangie shocks to fit as they share most of the same running gear as discoverys, defenders, stage ones etc.

these are off the front of a 90/110 defender

as i said im sure some one will point it out if im wrong!

cheers - ben

Post by **WooDooUK** » 19 Mar 2008 11:35 pm

Tada! The new one is obviously the Landy 90 front shock

The only thing to beware is the shouldered section on the threads is much bigger on the landy shocks, not sure the best way to deal with that is.

Post by **Carl** » 20 Mar 2008 12:13 am

Excuse my ignorance, but whats so good about Landie dampers? Surely they're set up quite soft? Why can you not just use some off the shelf 300 ones so you'll know they fit right? My KYB rear dampers seeem to do ok and were pretty cheap (about £70 IIRC).

Post by **griffo20022** » 20 Mar 2008 12:28 am

Landy shocks will be soft for a car that weighs at a guess nearly double what a 300 does lol!

The rear shocks on mine are practically brand new but there still too soft for what I need out of them I personally find.

Thanks for the heads up Woodoo on the shoulder thing, i'll check it out when I come to fitting em lol!