drifters: you begin to make me sick!
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retrocool73
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I've no problem with drifting, I've no problem with drifters as I stated earlier. What annoys me is, as per the ebay link that started this thread, the pillocks who seem to think these cars represent some kind of instant drift car by picking one up, turfing out the interior and getting someone to bodge the diff. The rise of the V300 in motorsport is, given it's history, something of a minor miracle and it would be nice to think we end up with parts availabilty improving because of it a la Mk2 Escorts, but I do despair when (as I said earlier) there is the assumption (which seems to be spreading) that all these cars (even minters) are fit for is as some kind of junior drift machine, all matt paint and quick fixes, and that is something that blights that scene as well as ours
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Jason B
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phew, glad this thread turned around 
- I like chris am surprised that rallying hasn't had similar scrutiny, but thats probably simply because of its motorsport heritage (though my car was for sale for a long time before I bought it and she definitely wasn't a minter and has no special 300 bits)
@Griffo - I want an lsd too
, will be looking into when the money exists though.
- I like chris am surprised that rallying hasn't had similar scrutiny, but thats probably simply because of its motorsport heritage (though my car was for sale for a long time before I bought it and she definitely wasn't a minter and has no special 300 bits)@Griffo - I want an lsd too
, will be looking into when the money exists though.'89 360 GLE awaiting 2.3 power
To clear my post I don't hate drifters. Some of the drifters got the best looking cars in here too. 
What I meant was that I don't like people, which Trabitom very well described, "buy it, drift it, break it, scrap it" crowd
People who think that these cars have no other value than drift/drive/race whatever until they hit something, break something bigger or similiar and then just scrap everything.
People who don't appreciate the car they drive. Ignorrant people.
I think the title is provocative just to get some attention. Drifters are generally a young crowd so it's no wonder there are more of these ignorrant people among than there are for example in rallying. Most of the rallydrivers I know appreciate and hold value to their cars very much, even though the cars get a lot of hard use. I've not seen many 20k€ 240 rally cars being scrapped straight away after a roll over..
But that doesn't mean that I think everyone in the drift scene are ignorant and don't hold no value to their cars.
Drifting has boosted image of the 300-series a lot and that's a good thing, especially among the younger crowd and more people are getting interested. But I wouldn't give all the credit to drifting scene. First time I sat in a 360 Turbo was in -96. (and the car was originally built in -86/87) Peter Schmidt built a twinturbo Jag V12 360 in -97 and here in Finland we had 4x4 rally cross cars in the 80's. Of course it's a bit different thing in here because like in Sweden and in Norway, Volvos have a quite different image here than in most of the other countries so there has been a Volvo enthusiast scene for a lot of models for a long time.
Everyone are welcome here as long as they are not idiots..
What I meant was that I don't like people, which Trabitom very well described, "buy it, drift it, break it, scrap it" crowd
People who think that these cars have no other value than drift/drive/race whatever until they hit something, break something bigger or similiar and then just scrap everything.
People who don't appreciate the car they drive. Ignorrant people.
I think the title is provocative just to get some attention. Drifters are generally a young crowd so it's no wonder there are more of these ignorrant people among than there are for example in rallying. Most of the rallydrivers I know appreciate and hold value to their cars very much, even though the cars get a lot of hard use. I've not seen many 20k€ 240 rally cars being scrapped straight away after a roll over..
But that doesn't mean that I think everyone in the drift scene are ignorant and don't hold no value to their cars.
Drifting has boosted image of the 300-series a lot and that's a good thing, especially among the younger crowd and more people are getting interested. But I wouldn't give all the credit to drifting scene. First time I sat in a 360 Turbo was in -96.
(and the car was originally built in -86/87) Peter Schmidt built a twinturbo Jag V12 360 in -97 and here in Finland we had 4x4 rally cross cars in the 80's. Of course it's a bit different thing in here because like in Sweden and in Norway, Volvos have a quite different image here than in most of the other countries so there has been a Volvo enthusiast scene for a lot of models for a long time.Everyone are welcome here as long as they are not idiots..
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talking of your special bits, I need to talk to you about quite how the roof/panel/piece of wood arrangement works as I think your silicon is becoming leaky and want to check that the headliner hasn't collected water.redline wrote:of course it had special bitsJason B wrote:(though my car was for sale for a long time before I bought it and she definitely wasn't a minter and has no special 300 bits)
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dont forget who owned it before Nick
that on its own makes it a very special car indeed
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lol, I am sorry to say it came like that and not wanting to feel a dripJason B wrote:
I decided to leave well alone , it didnt leak for the few months I owned it (at least santa didn't mention it ) but as you say the silicon may have given somewhere I would say just open it up , clean the edges and re seal it
or you could put a skim of filler over it and treat it to a nice eighties style vinyl roof
I think all of us agree in the same topics, more or less, which is good... I rescue my 360 from the scrap and cost me peanuts. Luckily the car has potential and grew on me, then I decided now to invest some money on it, but if it doesn't and I had crashed it the first week, the car had gone to the scrap 1 week later. I don't see the problem either...
I understand that we are fanatics of V300s and it hurts to see another 300 turned into a trampdrifter, but I don't see the bad point of saving scrap cars to get fun from they before to go to the scrappy deffo, are only pieces of metal IMO ( all of this is not applicable talking of minter ones ! )
BTW, like my binned aircon will go to trabitom some day, if some of you need interior bits I'll donate them when the car is finished
Painfully all the meetings are a bit further from me, hehe
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I understand that we are fanatics of V300s and it hurts to see another 300 turned into a trampdrifter, but I don't see the bad point of saving scrap cars to get fun from they before to go to the scrappy deffo, are only pieces of metal IMO ( all of this is not applicable talking of minter ones ! )
BTW, like my binned aircon will go to trabitom some day, if some of you need interior bits I'll donate them when the car is finished
Painfully all the meetings are a bit further from me, hehe
Greetz from Spain !
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Ok guys, it's time to calm down and to clarify some points...
If you read in depth my first message, you will see that I was talking about WORRIES turning to SICKNESS (my title was *BEGIN* to make me sick, do not forget that word) Does that mean that I can't have the right anymore to feel bad when I see and hear some things?
I think that I still have that right, I was polite and my only rude comment was concerning the kind of advertisement on Ebay, from my point of view that ad was showing very well the kind of danger that's coming for the 300 series.
I'm not going to shut up, sorry Chris, even if I have respect for you and you're moderator on this site, you can't decide to say that a thread was not useful as you said. I'm saying things loudly in the name of people thinking as me... Yes I'm tired to read articles about "welded diff" and things like that, but let's be clear and read the initial message again, I'm scared about the equation that has been perfectly described in the thread: Volvo 340 => cheap, fast and easy to drift => even fast to scrap.
That's annoying for me. To be clear, I have nothing against members on V3M, I have a lot of respect for people transforming cars and working hard on it (on a good way) and making growing the interest for the 300 series. But what I feel is different when I see good cars turning into wrecks with the speed of light... It also goes in contradiction with some of our topics where we are worrying about the rarity of parts that we can't find from Volvo dealers anymore!! Let's be LOGICAL! That's it!
Nobody isn't welcome on V3M if you just take care a minimum of your car. But destroy for fun is not something that I like.
If you read in depth my first message, you will see that I was talking about WORRIES turning to SICKNESS (my title was *BEGIN* to make me sick, do not forget that word) Does that mean that I can't have the right anymore to feel bad when I see and hear some things?
I think that I still have that right, I was polite and my only rude comment was concerning the kind of advertisement on Ebay, from my point of view that ad was showing very well the kind of danger that's coming for the 300 series.
I'm not going to shut up, sorry Chris, even if I have respect for you and you're moderator on this site, you can't decide to say that a thread was not useful as you said. I'm saying things loudly in the name of people thinking as me... Yes I'm tired to read articles about "welded diff" and things like that, but let's be clear and read the initial message again, I'm scared about the equation that has been perfectly described in the thread: Volvo 340 => cheap, fast and easy to drift => even fast to scrap.
That's annoying for me. To be clear, I have nothing against members on V3M, I have a lot of respect for people transforming cars and working hard on it (on a good way) and making growing the interest for the 300 series. But what I feel is different when I see good cars turning into wrecks with the speed of light... It also goes in contradiction with some of our topics where we are worrying about the rarity of parts that we can't find from Volvo dealers anymore!! Let's be LOGICAL! That's it!
Nobody isn't welcome on V3M if you just take care a minimum of your car. But destroy for fun is not something that I like.
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Spot on, I can see how offence may have been taken, but I can see none was intended.
Tom describes it well. I'm afraid too many people that have more expensive cars will see a couple of hundred quid car as a banger, despite it being in near mint condtion, or a rare version, to them, it's nothing more than cheap fun. As Mick says, you pay your money, you do what you want with it, we cannot tell people what they can or cannot do, but to see something rare or a perfectly good car trashed is not nice.
The thing about V3M and the Volvo 300 is it appeals to and is owned by so many different types of people from all walks of life. I've made some great mates, met some brilliant people, and had some interesting days out, learned a lot and I owe it all to the car and V3M. When I got my first 360 as a daily driver, I was sure I was completely on my own in liking the car, and being able to appreciate what it had to offer, how wrong I was.
Drifting has however drawn the unwanted attention of the Police and thieves, as now it's recognised as being one of those RWD drift cars. One of the joys of owning a 300, was it was invisible to thieves and vandals, and a lot of people knew nothing about them. But on the other hand, it has saved a lot of cars from scrap, and has allowed so many more tuning projects to come through. Yes we've seen a lot of people get bored, crash, break or sell their cheap tramp drift mobiles, but for every four or five of those, an excellent project has been carried out by someone who has taken the interest to the next level and invested some time, money and effort in order to go from cheap drift car, to something that means a bit more to them.
It's just as sad to see a mint car trashed and ruined as it is to see one in a scrap yard for no good reason. And even worse is the fact that most scrap yards won't even keep them in stock and crush them on arrival!
Right, I think this thread has very little mileage left in it. All are welcome on V3M, just as long as you aim isn't to destroy the car recklessly, use it, enjoy it, be part of the community!
Pete
Tom describes it well. I'm afraid too many people that have more expensive cars will see a couple of hundred quid car as a banger, despite it being in near mint condtion, or a rare version, to them, it's nothing more than cheap fun. As Mick says, you pay your money, you do what you want with it, we cannot tell people what they can or cannot do, but to see something rare or a perfectly good car trashed is not nice.
The thing about V3M and the Volvo 300 is it appeals to and is owned by so many different types of people from all walks of life. I've made some great mates, met some brilliant people, and had some interesting days out, learned a lot and I owe it all to the car and V3M. When I got my first 360 as a daily driver, I was sure I was completely on my own in liking the car, and being able to appreciate what it had to offer, how wrong I was.
Drifting has however drawn the unwanted attention of the Police and thieves, as now it's recognised as being one of those RWD drift cars. One of the joys of owning a 300, was it was invisible to thieves and vandals, and a lot of people knew nothing about them. But on the other hand, it has saved a lot of cars from scrap, and has allowed so many more tuning projects to come through. Yes we've seen a lot of people get bored, crash, break or sell their cheap tramp drift mobiles, but for every four or five of those, an excellent project has been carried out by someone who has taken the interest to the next level and invested some time, money and effort in order to go from cheap drift car, to something that means a bit more to them.
It's just as sad to see a mint car trashed and ruined as it is to see one in a scrap yard for no good reason. And even worse is the fact that most scrap yards won't even keep them in stock and crush them on arrival!
Right, I think this thread has very little mileage left in it. All are welcome on V3M, just as long as you aim isn't to destroy the car recklessly, use it, enjoy it, be part of the community!
Pete
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I never mentioned to shut up mate, and I still maintain us all getting together is the most useful part of this thread, not that the thread isn't useful. The way your two posts come over read to me very differently, the second of yours is very very much similar to my own stance with the cars, as I think you know.Duvel78 wrote:I'm not going to shut up, sorry Chris, even if I have respect for you and you're moderator on this site, you can't decide to say that a thread was not useful as you said. I'm saying things loudly in the name of people thinking as me...
I don't like the idea of mass blanket shouting at drifters, a lot have some great ideas. Before people bought them too drift, how many times did me and Hugh (5lab) put a bid down on a car on ebay, and worry we'd have to buy them? I put down numerous pennies bids, often to loose the car to the second bidder who got it for 5p. Hugh had to go and pick up 2 for 99p that he didn't loose. The people that used to buy them at this price used them until the tax and mot ran out, and they WOULD get scrapped, no doubt, straight bangernomics. Since the drifting has taken off, prices in the UK (on autotrader and ebay at least) have gone through the roof compared to what any of us were expecting, and it's no longer a viable bangernomics car.
I'd like to think this means less of them are now getting scrapped straight away, if drifting means the car gets 18months more, surely thats a good thing? As too the ad, I think someone is trying to bump the price he gets on ebay up. It's certainly something that happens with other motorsport stuff, a lot of mk1/2 escorts of any breed prey off the famousness of the top end cars by mentioning rally in the listing, and hope to enlarge the audience. It seems this poor soul like many in the world is slightly... hopeful? nah, lets say deluded
Theres been too many issues with forums splitting/closing lately in the scene with stupid politics at the root, I don't want to see us going the same way by upsetting a lot of our members. We are never all going to view things in the same way, I'm pleased see it confirmed in your second post you havn't become the V3M Dictator
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'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
'03 S60 D5 SE, '91 (J) MX5, 1954 Cyclemaster
Ex:
'89(F) 340 GL F7R (ex B172k) - Fake -> SBKV 300 Runner Up 08, 12; '91(H) 340 GL B14.4E - Kar; '88(F) 360 GLT B200E - Jet -> BKV 300 Runner Up 09; '89(G) 360 GLT B200E - Beast
I feel sick too when someone takes almost rust free low mileage 300 series car and makes it drift vehicle, which he then bangs to railings few times and eventually when car busts from someplace they scrap it, I really don't like such mentality and I get angry when I see such.
Actually it does not limit only to 300 series, but almost all cars, I am car enthusiast, I like cars and for me car never is transportation from A to B.
Actually it does not limit only to 300 series, but almost all cars, I am car enthusiast, I like cars and for me car never is transportation from A to B.
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Volvo 343DL vario -81 -running-
Volvo 240 Diesel -83 -undecided-
Citroen ZX Dturbo -97 -daily-
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I understand your opinion, but how do people learn to drive in their chosen motorsport pursuit without having a knock now and then? - surely its better for people like me who rally the car (or those who drift) to keep working on improvements for the 300 series and pushing it forward for the community despite the risk of damage to the car. It is not possible to be competitive in motorsport without risking damage to the car. I know there are a few individuals out there without any sense who take any old car and trash it for the sake of it, but lets face it those are also the people who couldn't careless about a thread like this and indeed are not likely to spend time on enthusiasts forums.
Thats why this thread should be forgotten about, because it doesn't achieve anything imo.
Thats why this thread should be forgotten about, because it doesn't achieve anything imo.
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