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Post by SteveP » 27 Jun 2008 02:30 pm

Well my 360 is still on the drive having been messed about by my welder etc... has no MOT or tax and will still need other things to pass the MOT. I no longer have the time or space now I'm not a student and have a newly laid driveway, working on the road isn't much good.

I'll show you all the other sill when I get the pics off my home PC. But I'm wondering whether to actually bother. Realistically it needs a sill/rear arch and some panels (4 doors, 2 front wings), then a full respray to get it to where I want. Then it'll still run like a bitch and slowly on LE-Jet and still do 25-30mpg.

At that cost, I keep wondering why to bother. I could replace it with something quite easily which would both be fun and a daily driver. Read dirty Nissan S14.

So err... dunno whether to part the bloody thing out, sell all my spares and move on. Or should I just be a complete numpty and spend £2k+ on a 300 which I can't use daily :?

On paper it seems easy...
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Post by trabitom99 » 27 Jun 2008 03:31 pm

Do the minimum necessary to pass the MOT and keep a lookout for a mint saloon to move the nice accessories over to?

What happened to that saloon that was on driftworks?

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Post by SteveP » 27 Jun 2008 03:56 pm

Yeah, that's probably the best idea - but not sure if I can be bothered with the hassle of stripping and swapping a load of parts. Only for something to wear out again that isn't available etc etc... if I had a garage things would most definitely be different.

Afraid the saloon sold, I couldn't get down there on time and he had viewers over the weekend :(
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Post by trabitom99 » 27 Jun 2008 05:57 pm

I suppose it all depends on a few things then:

* how emotionally attached you are to your current car (I can fully understand people spending thousands on a car which they've had since new, or which they've inherited - that's just something you can never replace)
* how easy it is to get a replacement 360 saloon in better condition (paying someone to swap the parts over for you will still be cheaper than getting this one restored)
* how keen you are to move on to another car (A/C, more power, better economy? All that can be had in a 300 mind, with a bit of effort ...)

The parts situation isn't really a reason to stop daily-driving 300s just yet (not MkIIIs anyway) - as long as brakes, exhausts, tyres (and welders) are still around (although didn't you have an issue with a downpipe recently?)

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Post by Ronnie » 27 Jun 2008 06:54 pm

Steve, we've both been going through a similar turmoil over the last year or so. You're absolutely right, on paper it's a no-brainer. The 300 should be sold on, or in your case taken behind the garage and quietly shot :lol:

But - this seems like a really hard thing to do. Part of the problem is this forum - no really. Being without a 300 is bailing out of the club. Even though I know you've made life long friends through V3M which aren't dependent on what cars you own, it's still a factor. I'm pretty sure that whatever I eventually replace my 360 with, I wont find a forum to support me quite like this one.

The other one, is driving the bloody things. I can fantasise about all sorts of cars, but after a good run in a 300 I can never help thinking how I want to keep it and make it better.

If I had somewhere to keep it, I'd SORN it and spend my time turning it into a track car. At present I've been thinking about a BMW 525 SE TDS Touring... 40mpg, 145 odd BHP, all the toys you could want, loads of tunability, and enough space for me, the Mrs and two kids - yes, I have another on the way!
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Post by SteveP » 27 Jun 2008 11:25 pm

Ronnie - you've hit the nail on the head there in quite a few points!

The thing is, if I turn it into something that I can't daily drive then it needs to be fast and fun, but then with that there comes a cost - a cost which I can buy something that I can daily drive and is usable and fun at the same time!

I haven't driven the thing as a daily for over a year, it's not much good at that job anymore in reality.

Still undecided as to wether to cut my losses and part it out, providing people here with a few useful spares or to keep plodding on - something I could do without when I'd ideally like to be saving for a house etc etc...
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Post by petefarrell360 » 27 Jun 2008 11:25 pm

Well Steve....... we've been here before.... I know I've not been as busy on the 300 scene recently, plus my daily driver isn't a 300, but then I don't have a daily driver, I drive a different vehicle each day! One of my reasons was in order for me to actually sort the 300's out properly, rather than using and abusing them. The trouble is, if you don't need to use it to get from a to b, it slips down the list of jobs to do.

As Ronnie said though, driving the thing really makes you realise that we aren't quite as mad as we sometimes think, it isn't a bottomless money pit, it is a very rewarding driving sensation, which with a bit of work could be made even better. I can understand your problem, as having no space to store and work on it is a mega problem. The choice at the end of the day is yours, but I think you'd kick yourself if you ever got rid of everything. If your current car really is too far gone, save everything and wait for the special mint find and go all out on that. Or as Tom says, make it usable, enjoy it and see.

My offer still stands mate with regards to helping you do things to the car, I have some space, I'm sure others would be willing to help, and we could do most things in no time at all. Bodywork is always going to be the expensive bit on a 300 if it's failling. The rest is simple!

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Post by SteveP » 28 Jun 2008 11:54 am

Well I think I may well have to strip and scrap it... when a hobby becomes a chore there seems little point in all honesty.... here's a pic of what depressed me...

So I imagine there will be a humongous post of 300 spares in due course lol.

Thanks also for your post, Pete... another example of why V3M is a great community.

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Post by Figgy » 28 Jun 2008 12:27 pm

Oh, that is depressing. :(

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Post by V6 Man » 28 Jun 2008 03:38 pm

It seems to me that you've reached the point where 300's no longer fit the bill as a Daily Driver as they are (to you) too slow, noisy, unrefined and thirsty when compared to more modern designs.

To my mind your options are;
1, convert that 364 of yours to be none of the above.
2, get rid of it and get something more modern as a DD if you only want one car.
3, keep it as a second car, mod the living daylights out of it and buy a newer DD.

The trouble is that ideal car would look like an ALfa, handle like a Lotus, have a ride like a Citroen DS or CX, be as economical as a small French diesel, be as fast as a Lambo, as luxurious as a Bentley, as safe as a Volvo, as reliable as a Honda and as cheap to insure as a 2CV.

As we all know no such car exists so whatever you get as a DD will have to compromise something in order to fullfill the other requirements. As you found the 940 is too bargelike, the T4 not enough fun and costly on fuel, the Skoda too slow, the 340 1.4 too slow and thirsty and some Pug 405 thing just generally too crap!

At least the 360's sills don't have to be repaired to look good as they'll be covered by the bodykit, all they need is to have the rust cut out and be patched. The only real problem with the 360's bodywork is the wheelarches which, along with the respray will cost a fair bit, BUT what would another car, plus the tax, insurance and MOT costs be?

How about keep the Skoda for the time being while you make the 360 sound again whilst making it a more modern car. Turn it into what it would be now if Volvo still made it. Shave the gutters, smooth the body joins, add insulation under the carpets and on the bulkhead, add a decent stereo, ad cruise control, fit a flush panel to the underside to smooth the airflow, uprate the brakes and suspension and as a final gesture drop a B230F in there and run it on MS&S. With a 531 head and good cam you'll make 150 ish bhp on MS (you could even B234F itand go for 170bhp), but with a decent state of tune for economy you'll get 40+mpg. Look at what Andys 360 is like with the 2.0 - it's a far superior car on MS than it ever was on LE-Jet. It also has new suspension and now goes and handles like a more modern car. Do all that with a 2.3 lump and it'll be comfy, quite quick, refined, handle well and be fun. After all, the above changes are exactly what Volvo did to turn the 740 shell into the S90, and what a far superior car the S90 is compared to the early 700's (and even the 940's).
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Post by Ronnie » 28 Jun 2008 04:40 pm

V6 Man wrote:you'll make 150 ish bhp on MS (you could even B234F itand go for 170bhp), but with a decent state of tune for economy you'll get 40+mpg. Look at what Andys 360 is like with the 2.0 - it's a far superior car on MS than it ever was on LE-Jet.
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Post by SteveP » 28 Jun 2008 04:57 pm

In an ideal world, Rupert... the latter part of what you've just said is exactly what I'd do! But the trouble is that all costs and takes a hell of a lot of time.
I'm fairly confident I could find another daily driver that has all that, and cost a hell of alot less. If I had somewhere to store the thing, it could all be done gradually and it might get completed sometime before 2020 :lol:

Unfortunately it probably wont be a Volvo that will replace it :oops: Unless I go a tweaked 940 route, but again - that would cost to get one to do what I want.
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Post by trabitom99 » 28 Jun 2008 05:41 pm

Ouch, those pics are pretty off-putting. I haven't seen the car but I'd assume if the sills and arches are that rotten, the rest of the body won't be that great either. Unless the car means a lot to you, I can see why you might want to move on ...

As Rupert says, there is no perfect all-rounder - fast but economical, spacious but nimble, cheap but also interesting. However, a mint 360 saloon, saved from a quick drift death, dinitrolled, with A/C from Australia, a bit of engine tuning, the leather and body kit moved over from your old car won't break the bank and could be pretty satisfying. If you start doing more miles, there's the LPG route. A parting out weekend (at Pete's?) and you've got enough spares to keep you going for a long time ...

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Post by SteveP » 28 Jun 2008 07:02 pm

trabitom99 wrote:I haven't seen the car but I'd assume if the sills and arches are that rotten, the rest of the body won't be that great either
Must say the rest of the car really isn't that bad - the usual 300 rear door rot etc. As I said last time, the reason why the sills are so bad is because each hole is where the sill was drilled by (the dealership?) Volvo to affix the bodykit. But the stripe that was on there meant that the panels would require respraying even if they were in good condition lol.

A mint 360 saloon would be nice, but unlikely by now - and then if it was in such nice condition then I'd feel guilty using it daily! It's a catch 22 :lol:
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Post by J340GLT » 28 Jun 2008 07:24 pm

Do you def have to have a saloon?? get a cheap 1400 and put the bits in that..im probably goin to have the same problem with Hug..those bodykits are so hard to find but at the same time cause more problems..I dare not remove my side skirts going by yours Steve..
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