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Driving to Vietnam. Yep.

Post by Speedy88 » 28 Mar 2010 04:59 pm

Always wanted to do this, next September I've got a window of time to do it in. My problem is, I don't know where to start. I've got to find a reliable car for relatively cheap that is plentiful in parts around the world. My initial thoughts were of Chris (and others?) who got to India in a 340 and back. However, I'm not 100% happy that a 340 would make it. Plus it's a petrol, and nobody anywhere would have parts. The other 4 vehicles I've thought of are:

Old style landy (speaks for itself and loads of parts)
Toyota Landcruiser (same as above)
Volvo 200 of some kind (built to last)
Toyota Hilux with box on back

I'd take my own 340 if there wasn't a risk I could lose it along the way. It'll be an expensive trip but for that I'll see loads of different cultures. My other concern is, how dangerous would it be to go by myself? I'm sure I could find someone to go with but I'd rather do it myself (call me a loner :) ).

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Re: Driving to Vietnam. Yep.

Post by SteveP » 28 Mar 2010 05:25 pm

I'd go for a Volvo 240, with mechanical fuel injection... very simple and parts should be plentiful, and its most likely to be running properly straight away. Maybe a 360 with fuel injection... A guy called Hugh took one over to Banjul in Africa a couple of years back and it coped fine (and the roof was chopped off!) However, for a lengthy trip a 200/700/900 will be more comfortable
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Re: Driving to Vietnam. Yep.

Post by Speedy88 » 28 Mar 2010 05:45 pm

Fair enough, I'd much rather have a diesel to save money although it's not essential. Did the 240s come with a mechanical fuel injection on those?
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Post by jtbo » 28 Mar 2010 06:32 pm

There will be dents in a car, that is for sure, have you seen how they drive in there? It works quite well, but one have to really learn to use horn and listen to horns of others, just don't turn towards horn, move when others move, stop when others stop, that should be enough to stay alive, oh and forget all rules, specially don't ever hit brakes if there is someone closing in from left or right, they will go past either front or rear, but if you brake one behind you will hit you and you may get fines from such move, it is like driving along bunch of fishes, they move like one.

Right of way is those who drive bigger vehicle and whom have waited longer, also if there is hill usually those coming from hill have right of way too, mostly because their brakes are almost non existing :mrgreen:

It will be a trip that you remember a life time, I have been wanting to do something similar, but time or finance have been against that so far, maybe someday. With diesel it will be cheaper and also bit more relaxing because of high torque, but at least I need earplugs with my 240 diesel, it is not very quiet one and especially at long term noise is very tiring, much more fresh after trip when using earplugs.

Land Cruiser is perhaps best in comfort, but it is not very nice to drive on road, wind etc. affects it quite a bit, also it consumes bit of fuel, even when you use 2H, that is what I remember from it, even it is quite long time since I did drove with one, so my memory about it can be bit fainted...

edit: 240 diesel had mechanical injection like all old diesels, when you get thing started you will only need 9V battery to keep it running that is for shutoff solenoid, when it goes below 9V that thing stops running, but it does not need much of work, only thing is that motor itself is bit sensitive to operation of it, you need to make sure not put pedal all the way down until motor is really well warmed and you need to idle it 2 minutes before switching off, otherwise it can crack a head, that is one thing to keep in mind if you plan to get one used. I have driven over 1000km daytrips with my 240 diesel, only problem was when alternator failed (never serviced), but I still drove over 200km to home with failed alternator at dark autumn night. Thermostat could have been replaced as extended perioids of time doing 130 (kph) it started to heat quite a bit, also thing is very slow compared to 360, over 20 seconds to 0-100 (kph) it has only 140Nm of torque (or something like that) so at steep hills often needed to shift down and still needed to floor it to keep speed decreasing too rapidly. Good thing is that you can run even with veggie oil if no diesel is available.
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Post by macplaxton » 28 Mar 2010 06:39 pm

As with any journey, it's all in the planning.

Make sure all the paperwork is in order. Make sure you have some money on tap for emergencies.

I'd get something diesel, or if using petrol, make sure the car will run on any ol' shite. Carry a load of obvious spares, have a load of people prepared to send spares on / ahead.

A load of tie-wraps and gaffer tape.

I'd take a Citroen BX diesel for comfort and economy (probably not the best idea, but in for a penny, in for a pound)
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Post by jtbo » 28 Mar 2010 07:12 pm

Water, I would think that it is important that you have good supply of water when doing such trip, even if locals can drink water it is not like you could drink same water, diarrhea is not good when doing a road trip and there is all kind of things in water of some areas, so it is one thing to have some thought.
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Post by SteveP » 28 Mar 2010 07:29 pm

Can understand you wanting something diesel, but out of the cars you listed the 240 is the only sub £500 car you can buy and should be capable of 35mpg on longer runs. The other options seem quite expensive? Depends if you plan on bringing it back and selling it on... how about an old Mercedes W123 diesel?
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Post by jtbo » 28 Mar 2010 07:52 pm

SteveP wrote:Can understand you wanting something diesel, but out of the cars you listed the 240 is the only sub £500 car you can buy and should be capable of 35mpg on longer runs. The other options seem quite expensive? Depends if you plan on bringing it back and selling it on... how about an old Mercedes W123 diesel?
I got around 40Mpg and I did boot it a lot and it was tuned bit rich...
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Sorry for all eco people :lol:

There might be better supply of parts for Merc than for Volvo.
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Post by Chris_C » 28 Mar 2010 10:51 pm

macplaxton wrote:Make sure all the paperwork is in order. Make sure you have some money on tap for emergencies.
Both of these.

I did the trip in a City Rover, but I didn't have a choice over the car. It worked very well tbh, you want something with soft suspension that will run on any fuel. We found a lot of petrol places that only sold petrol (in the middle of the desert) but that depends on where you are going.

Paperwork wise, you need to look into things called Carnettes (I've spelt that wrong...) they basically say you arn't importing the vehicle so please don't charge me the 200% import tax. The car will be logged in your passport in such countries and you won't be allowed out without it though. We put a "new vin" plate on the car, with blatently obvious chassis number and engine number on. Make it look professional and customs look at that instead of spending a huge amount of time under the car trying to read the engine number.

However, remember if someone else makes that plate up for you that they put the right number on it. None of us noticed it was the wrong number until the Indian border... and then had to blag our way out of it!

As to car choice, the further out you go the more random blag it and bodge it skilled mechanics you'll find so parts arn't as much of an issue. Lots of the countries can't get the parts anyway so they are used to making things fit.

Make sure you run steel wheels not alloys, when you buckle one you can hammer it back in shape. Try and take a couple of inner tubes for the wheels too, whilst they arn't legal in the UK they are perfectly good elsewhere and you don't have to wait a day for your tyre size to be delivered.

Whatever car you get, look at it in a rally view. Which bit is vunerable under the car, what happens when it gets hit, how can you prevent it?
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Post by jtbo » 28 Mar 2010 11:19 pm

240 is good in ramming wise, those bumpers can withstand almost any animal, or even Yugo or two :lol:
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Post by Speedy88 » 28 Mar 2010 11:30 pm

Cool I'll be keeping an eye out for either a 240 or a W123 then. Of course I'd prefer a 240 just because it's a volvo and I understand "volvo logic" but I know that those mercs are also solid and plentiful over there.

Thanks for the advice, now I've just got to find another nutter that I can stand for 5 minutes.
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Post by tommysb » 29 Mar 2010 11:30 am

Depending on how long you want to take....You could do it BY BIKE!

A couple of my mates have just set of to Kathmandu under pedal power...It's going to take them 8 months though they reckon!

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Think it took them about 3 months of planning at least!

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Post by kaos » 29 Mar 2010 07:31 pm

i always figured buy 2 740's strip one for parts. and fill the boot...

thats the way i'd do it and then buy some new bits like a water pump etc. then atleast you have the majority of spares you could think you'll need.
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Re: Driving to Vietnam. Yep.

Post by SteveP » 29 Mar 2010 11:22 pm

Sir, your chariot awaits...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1979-MERCEDES-240 ... 2c53c6b689

Looks very high rear suspension wise though... dunno why! Have to say I have a growing likeness for the W123 series Mercedes, I was very close to buying a 230E manual 8 months or so ago. They absolutely ooze quality!
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Post by macplaxton » 30 Mar 2010 12:28 am

SteveP wrote:Sir, your chariot awaits...http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1979-MERCEDES-240 ... 0384092809
[Looks down to questions.] Yup the Oirish will 'ave that. Old enough for dirt cheap tax and that's NCT exempt material too.
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