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need more power

Post by vovo » 12 Jan 2010 07:57 pm

i have a 360 glt, its currently my daily driver, when i put another engine in my vw caddy i can pull the volvo off the road and carry out a few mods, now the engine as many will know is a redblock b200 i think e, i have read a little on the net and have read about the different cams, what is the best? what do i have in mine (standard)? i know i could 2.3 it but would rather turbo, i very nearly boughts stavs black one if i had sold mine but stavs didnt hang around for long any suggetions anyone. cheers
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Re: need more power

Post by SteveP » 12 Jan 2010 08:03 pm

Your GLT will have the 'A' cam which is fairrrllyyy hot for a factory engine anyway. The main restriction is the injection system though really.

Best option is probably a 2.3 running Bosch LH2.4 injection as you don't have any turbo clearance issues and you should get decent economy/power - about 140bhp at a guess? A 'K' cam is rather nice for an N/A engine, but fairly rare.

Unfortunately there's not much you can do to the bog standard 2.0, without swapping engines!
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Re: need more power

Post by Chris_C » 12 Jan 2010 10:19 pm

I'm glad someone has lh'd one... i planned to do it to jet before i sold it! Still have half the stuff! Great mod imo

EDIT: I also disagree with the stock stuff. The stock intake path for a GLT is dire.... but that'd involve a manifold up rework
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Re: need more power

Post by volvosneverdie » 13 Jan 2010 08:11 am

Chris_C wrote:I'm glad someone has lh'd one... i planned to do it to jet before i sold it! Still have half the stuff! Great mod imo
You keeping it chris?
The LH stuff that is.
How hard/plausable is the conversion from Carb?
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Post by Chris_C » 13 Jan 2010 10:02 am

Wouldn't be too horrendous, as the injectors are in the manifold not the head. Though you would still need to pop the engine out as the flywheel needs changing. Late 240's are best to poach the stuff from, as the loom is separate, Tbricks says the 940 loom is all intertwined.

So in grand scheme of things, I reckon you'd need:

360GLT inlet manifold
240 TB
240 air measurer thing (not sure if it's a flappy paddle/hot wire or manifold pressure sensor anymore!)
Any sensor that plugs into that 240 loom to the block
Lambda
2 litre ECU incase the 240 is a 2.3.

You may find the 240 inlet mani is the same but I don't think it is, and whilst it sounds complicated it should just be a case of changing the flywheel, then everything else bolting in (drilling a hole in the dp and welding a lamdba boss, and maybe making a TB to inlet manifold adapter plate if needed) and connecting 4/5 wires. But then I've prolly forgotten something!
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Re: need more power

Post by SteveP » 13 Jan 2010 10:08 am

Chris_C wrote:EDIT: I also disagree with the stock stuff. The stock intake path for a GLT is dire.... but that'd involve a manifold up rework
It can't be that bad surely, the turbo'd 700's/900's use the same manifold and I think even then it's good for over 300bhp
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Re: need more power

Post by Chris_C » 13 Jan 2010 10:10 am

Manifold design isn't anything like as important for FI though, the air in a 360GLT goes round a huge maze before it finds where the throttle body is, then has to cope with that TB and manifold :lol:
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Re: need more power

Post by SteveP » 13 Jan 2010 10:19 am

Ah yes, overall... the whole route across the whole width of the car is a bit odd! I'd personally not worry too much about the manifold and t/b (You could always fit a larger t/b from a 960).
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Re: need more power

Post by volvosneverdie » 13 Jan 2010 10:21 am

stop saying tb.
whats a tb?
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Re: need more power

Post by SteveP » 13 Jan 2010 10:51 am

Throttle body
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Post by volvosneverdie » 13 Jan 2010 11:06 am

SteveP wrote:Throttle body
Thank you.
Id narrowed it to throttle body or turbo toost. :wink:
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Re: need more power

Post by Chris_C » 13 Jan 2010 11:38 am

I reckon, for a daily, an LH conversion would rock. Closed loop fuel injection wins everytime.

I reckon it'd be a weekends work if it was planned out properly, so either take a day or do on a bank holiday weekend for safety and it'd make a huge difference to MPG. Cheaper than a LPG conversion, more power, less tuning and still running on proper fuel :D
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Re: need more power

Post by volvosneverdie » 13 Jan 2010 11:50 am

Chris_C wrote:I reckon, for a daily, an LH conversion would rock. Closed loop fuel injection wins everytime.

I reckon it'd be a weekends work if it was planned out properly, so either take a day or do on a bank holiday weekend for safety and it'd make a huge difference to MPG. Cheaper than a LPG conversion, more power, less tuning and still running on proper fuel :D
Youre really selling dude.
Sounds very attractive.

Think that goes to the top of the Mods planned list. :D
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Re: need more power

Post by SteveP » 13 Jan 2010 11:59 am

I think the biggest part of the job is swapping the flywheel from an LH2.4 car and adapting the bellhousing to mount the new crank position sensor. The rest of it doesn't seem too bad!

You'll need a flat LH2.4 flywheel from either a late 240 or a late 740/early 940 with the M4x series gearbox. Since you need to lift the engine to change the flywheel, it'd be rude not to drop in a 2.3 at the same time.
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