76 volvo 66GL questions!

[durableswedish]

Hi, I'm new on these forums, the DAF forums seem to be pretty dead regardless of which continent they are on. After doing some research, I found out that the early 340s are very similar to my silly RHD thing. My car was sitting in a guy's yard since 1988. I spent a month off and on getting it up and running. It runs and starts and drives, but it's still got some bugs in it.

My gaskets are crap. The engine is pretty leaky, 2 major vac leaks (missing a intake stud and the gaskets around the phenolic spacer are broken too). The USD sucks right now, but I'm hoping the worthlessness of the b13/14 engine stuff would offset it. I'm on a hunt for a gasket kit, Dave says it's probably $3-400USD (~20euro ). Can I get 100hp out of the b14 "easily"? I think that should be pretty smokin' in my little car.

I'm not sure how alike the b13 and b14 engines are, I need some new head gasket things. I think the b13 came in some of the early 340s, and I know the b14 is a common swap for the mkI 340s. I would assume the only difference is the pistons, maybe the head too. If that's the case, does anyone have a quote for shipping of a nearly complete b14 to the US? From what I hear, the b14s are extremely common over there, and not very desirable. I've got a 75 66GL with a Renault 1.3L in it. I think I can upgrade to the 1.4L without blowing my rubber bands up. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the help, the US isn't being very helpful for information on DAF or Renault...

[Chris_C]

$3-400USD (~20euro ).

Lol! Welcome to the forums!

You are quite right, most B14 stuff isn't that expensive over this side, they arn't that wanted and in lots of cars. I'm really not that knowledgable on the older 300s, but people here are. I'd think you'd get the engine for not much at all, but dread to think the price of shipping a pallet over, still, only one way to find out!

100bhp from the B14? With a lot of work, possible I'd say, but not cost efficient. Anyone know if a 1.7 would drop in? I'd imagine that would make an awesome Daf, and would be around the same price. On the 300, the 1.7 has the same engine mounts, and same propshaft coupling as the 1.4, and is a lovely engine.

[pistonpen paultje]

1.7 doesn't drop in! Bellhouse of a variomatic doesn't fit the 1.7.

B14 definetly fits. Here in the NL they do that swap to almost all the Volvo/daf 66. There is a swap-manual somewhere. Ask for it on: www.dafclub.nl

Mind, this engine is from renault, and lots of renaults have these engines. Its the C-type of engine. But don't know how many renaults drive around over there. Than you would only need some small parts of the volvo/dafs

100 Bhp is more than possible. There are rally daf's here in the NL (thats where your car is build;)) with approx 130/140 Bhp. Just depends on how much work you want to spend on it. Maybe a gordini or renault 5 GTT engine would be nice!? Done quite some times before.

[Chris_C]

There's a different bellhousing on vario's? Interesting, really will have to have a play with one one day!

Does the vario not have a prop with the same splines then? Otherwise you could use the 1.7 bellhousing.... actually... if that did work, that would make the best rally car ever! Vario swap into Fake, but I'm guessing from the way you say it doesn't, and you and Frit's have played with them a lot more than I have!

[Frits]

We actually tried to fit the turbo engine (renault 5 GT turbo) to the variomatic. With the manual clutch, the prop won't fit anymore because of length. (and I wanted a manual clutch) We wanted to do a fast swap, so we didn't made a prop, but we changed the vario for the manual gearbox.

However, based on cost, you will be getting the best power by just making a Turbo engine fit. It's done few times to the DAF, they all used the automatic clutch.





By building a NA 100bhp engine, you are building a race-spec engine, which will be far more expensive.
However, you still need some skils to make it all fit.

[durableswedish]

that's interesting about the 1.7L swap. What do you mean the prop was too short, I think I'm misunderstanding what you are calling the prop.

Are there any carbs that are an upgrade to the little solex that's on my engine right now? the 1.7 has a webber I think...In the family of these engines, are they generally the same, other then displacement. Like in the volvo B series engines, the b21, b23, b230 are all very similar and many parts are swappable, same with the older b17, b18, and b19/20 engines.
For example, would I be able to stick a b14 head on my b13 to get some power gains?
this (http://www.daf.dse.nl/XP%20project.htm) guy has done some neat stuff to his little car too, a few people on the Peugeot forum in AU are squeezing decent power out of their engine too.

I've been wondering about induction too, the book says the CR is pretty low, like 8:1. How feasible would it be to throw a little supercharger like off a Toyota on the engine with a blow-through carb setup? I'll assume the engine is pretty wimpy. Are there any options about upgrading the pistons/rods out of something else, maybe "beefy" 1.7L internals?

Whenever I ask about this little thing in the US forums, DAF or not, nobody really knows anything, even the Renault guys don't know anything either. Sorry for all the questions, My little car is very neat and I'm trying to get all the info I can about it.[/url]

[Chris_C]

The B172k is a different block to the B14, but the 1.3/1.4 blocks are the same. Head swap... should work, but I don't know if the pistons are different (memory says B14 is near flat topped pistons with chamber in the head)

Late B14's came on Webers, all B172's came on solex's, with a weber replacement made available later. The B172 weber is useless and sh*te, a recon'd solex will be much better, but..

I think I now see where Frits and Paul mean. The auto clutch on the B13/14 won't fit in the B172 bellhousing, so mating that would be awkward. Did you get renault 5's over there? They are most common with B14's.

[foggyjames]

There are a few R5s over there. Not sure if they were sold there as such.

I reckon if you were willing to take the piss out of the couriers, you could ship a B14 for about £150. I have a high compression B14 going spare...but I have a feeling it needs a head gasket. I also have a late-model low compression unit, but that is still in a(n unused) car at present.

The B14 rods are supposed to be very burly. It's essentially the same engine as the Renault 5 GT Turbo, so they're kinda strong...although they do tend to blow up for a living. Probably something to do with people not re-getting the dubious blow-through carb setup!

I'd look into picking up a B14, and maybe fit a set of Weber 40s to it?

cheers

James

[durableswedish]

I'm on the hunt for one! I think here in the US those renault 5 things were called Le Cars.having a bugger of a time finding anything though.

[redline]

Hi and welcome to the forum ,


I would just like to say how nice it is to have an American on who isn't trying to sell us Viagra or porn

[foggyjames]

We also had the "Le Car" models as a special edition...so that would make sense.

cheers

James

[durableswedish]

now that you mention it, I do have a huge box of viagra and porn that I'll ship over there pretty cheap. you guys do have the currency advantage

[pistonpen paultje]

hehehe, sorry to say, but overseas we don't need that kind of stuff...All natural

Looked at ebay. First thing I found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Ma ... enameZWDVW

No B14 to be found there

[Mkickert]

Been watching this for a while, as a DAF-owner and total anorak: so here it goes.

Your b130 has 57 DIN HP standard. By just adding a two-stage Weber 32DIR carb off a 343/345/340 1.4 you will get around 65 DIN HP (not all 1.4's have Webers, some have the utterly useless Solex carb).

The other option is fitting a B14 from a late model 343/345 or a 340 (early models have smaller valves). This produces 72 DIN HP standard (70 for early models). If you do decide to do this: get one without PulsAir and EGR. These system don't work and aren't needed for a 66.

Fitting a B14 is straightforward, but not completely bolt in. Along with the complete B14 (engine, head, manifolds, carb, starter, flywheel, pumps, alternator) you'll need: a DAF or Volvo 66 waterpump, a Volvo 66 clutch palte and pressure plate, a Volvo 66 Bellhousing and clutch shaft, a special ring to adapt the slighty bigger bearing in the B14 flywheel for the B13 clutch shaft, a tachorelais (found in the 340), and Volvo 340 brake pressure sensor, and Volvo 340 downpipe.

Once you've found all this, fit the V66 clutch and housing to the B14 flywheel (you need this becuase of the breakesless Renix ignition on the B14). Fit the V66 waterpump, fit the temperature sensor from your B13 to the B14, fit new motor mounts (your old ones won't fit).

Now wire in the tachorelais (your b130 had a microswitch on the carb which controlled the variomatic's vacuumsystem- the B14 controls its vacuum via a tachometric relais).
Then you have a working engine, and a 15 DIN HP power gain against the original B130.
Options to upgrade the B14 are fitting DCOE Webers, and wilder cams. This will net you about 90 HP if done very well.

Another option would be to find a Renault Alpine 1400 engine, as fitted in the Renault 5 Alpine/Gordini. This has 95 DIN HP, but is a much harder conversion.

A shortcut to fitting a b14 would be to use your b130 carb and manifolds, and the b130 ingnition, doing away with the need for both the Renix and tachorelais. However, power gains will be minimal compared to a standard b130.

The easiest solution would be to fix the head gasket and vacuum leaks on your B130 (yes, b14 head gasket sets are identical to the B130 ones), and enjoy your Volvo.

If you do decide to go crazy, the variomatic on a 66 can hold up to 150 HP when in perfect nick. Horsepower won't kill it, torque will. Get a high-revving, low capacity engine. Which is why a 1.7 vario would not be very durable.

[shimon340]

hi

welcome to V3M! nice to hear from another 66 owner! Unusual to see one in the US though.

I spent today replacing a vaccum pipe which runs above the gearbox, in front of the petrol tank (tank was out for painting). Bit awkward trying to fit new fuel line and a vac pipe with the gearbox in! now on the lookout for some 8mm internal bore fuel line to use as vacuum line for this new pipe to the secondary units.....then the tank can go back in!

I seen it mentioned here twice now re the heads or head gaskets being the same on the B13 and B14. however, the B13 has a 73mm bore and the B14 76mm. The stroke is 77mm. So how come the head gaskets are the same? If they are, that makes things easier in terms of 340 1.4 and 66 1.3 parts being the same.

However, at the 340s launch, many journalists commented on the 1.4 being a bigger bore of the volvo 66 engine. stroke hasnt givne the extra capacity, only bore....