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Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 06 Aug 2009 11:20 am
by Tero Huikko
The changes made would be interesting. My car is actually one of the "in-between-models" one of the very first ones with volvo badges.
All other stuff I already have.
The bumpers are original. Never repainted.
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 06 Aug 2009 08:08 pm
by nvdw
Besides the obvious badge engineering:
- new plastic bumpers instead of chrome ones
- side impact protection beams in the doors
- declutching servo to facilitate gear changes at higher revs (a variomatic is an unsynchronised transmission)
- reversal of the gear change layout (forward=forward @ DAF, R-N-D @ Volvo)
- removal of some chrome trim, rear light clusters for instance
- new metallic colours
Model year 1978 and on:
- new seats with Volvo headrests
- new steering wheel
- 'park' function added to variomatic
- fake wood trim removed from dashboard and console
- even less chrome
- orange instrument lettering
- various 'excrement' colours
The seats, dash, steering wheel and mirrors in/on your V66 are 100% DAF

Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 07 Aug 2009 12:16 am
by Tero Huikko
Thanks. Bumpers aren't plastic. They're steel with plastic end caps at both sides.
1976 GLS already had the orange symbols on switch/stalk area.
Also 1976 has a different mirror. It's still chrome but larger. 1978 came black mirrors.
1976 doorcards are a little different f.ex the little plastic thing surroundin the lock knob is different than in mine.
1978 H4 halogen main beams came as standard in both DL & GL versions.
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 07 Aug 2009 03:01 pm
by shimon340
hi
Nice to hear from you both!
I'll try to upload the info I have in the next few weeks etc.
I recognize the change from the smaller chrome bumpers to the larger black volvo ones plus the mirror change in size and also then to black coloured.
I wasnt aware of the Park function only being added in '78. My friend has a '76 66 and I'm sure it has a P as well.
I'll have a look at some point, maybe sunday....
How's the 123ignition fitting going?
regards
Shimon
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 08 Aug 2009 11:47 am
by Tero Huikko
I almost certain that Park position came at 1976 or even 1975. I have 1976 user's manual in Finnish, German and English and they ALL have the P position covered, BUT the manual that came with my car doesn't cover the P.
I have a few magazine articles that show the shifter without P. I was told that volvo made about 250 cars to press/resellers only that didn't have all final changes yet. These were used in photo shoots for promotional material and finally sold with very low price or given to "good" volvodealers as showpiece with agreement that these cars were not to be sold in three years.
This was the history I was told my car has. It's made at 1975 but registered 1978 by the owner of the dealership.
The fact that almost every early photo shows the same mirrors and shifter pattern without P supports this story.
ALL 1975 volvos I've seen already HAD the P. The leaflets brochyres and all PR stuff shows no P. This is due to small factory set being made to the promos and dealers, but final customer orders left the plant with P on them.
Volvo did put a LOT of effort in making these brochyres, minituare plastic cars and lots of stuff really. They had quite high hopes how the 66 should do...
And the 123 is still on its way here.
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 09 Aug 2009 03:09 pm
by nvdw
Love the info. Keep it coming!
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 10 Aug 2009 03:13 pm
by shimon340
wow!
A pretty rare 66 then!!!
lovely!
S
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 12 Aug 2009 09:43 pm
by Tero Huikko
Just got the 123 home. I try to install it this week...it looks like it will fit. Wish me luck!
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 13 Aug 2009 06:57 am
by macplaxton
Good luck!
I await to hear how it performs....
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 13 Aug 2009 10:33 am
by shimon340
Good luck!
keep us posted!
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 14 Aug 2009 04:13 pm
by Tero Huikko
Ok...now it's installed. No problems what so ever.
The 123-ignition distributor is an 100% match. All the electric wires and vacuum port are in the same angle and position.
Easy to install. Much better idle and response. The C "DAF 130" advance map on 123 seems to be right.
Adjusted the advance to 3 degrees and changed the primary jet from 112.5 to 120.
(Before used to be 6 degrees with points) Starts to ping with 6 degrees with 123.
I guess the vacuum curve is a bit more agressive.
Now it's a sports car
A recommended buy for anyone with DAF/Volvo 66!
Can't see any reason why this cannot be fitted to replace 340 renix thingy too?
CO2 is 330 and with points it was over 450. Overall the exhaust values are all better.
I will try next week with different sparg plug gap. It's now 0.8. I try to raise it to 1.0mm
This is a happy ending. I wonder what happens next to balance this? I get raped or stabbed or both

Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 14 Aug 2009 05:34 pm
by shimon340
hi there
What fuel are you running? Seems unusual to get pinking/ping on the 6 deg map as that's the original one for he B130 running 98 octane. Retard and advance are relative terms but the 3 deg map is 3 deg retarded from the 6 deg map? so you're running ignition (idle, no vacuum etc) as 3 deg BTDC?
how come you change the primary jet also?
Interesting you have CO2 measurement on your MOTs, here its CO. CO2 comes from labs for road tax classes though... (newer cars past 2001).
0.8mm is the standard gap. What plugs are you running? Champion and Bosch are 0.8mm of the 66.
looking forward to hearing from you
Shimon
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 14 Aug 2009 05:39 pm
by Tero Huikko
Idle, no vacuum 3 degrees, Shell V-Power 99+ with lead additive.
Champion plugs with 0.8mm
CO2 was a typo, I meant CO.
Changing the primary jet gave more power to upper revs.
It pings with 6 degrees because the 123's advance curve is a lucky guess and more agressive that original.
Didn't ping with points and 6 degrees.
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 16 Aug 2009 01:02 am
by shimon340
hello
interesting....
suggests then the 123 map is different to the original B130 one as it's pinking on the 6 degree map.
shame they don't have a contact section on their webpage to be sure the unit they sell is in fact the 66 B130's original map. I was interested in confirming this with them as they posted the "Daf 55 B130" which didnt exist.
One can run 99 octane on the 3 degree map, one just wouldnt be taking advantage of the higher octane fuel
Re: Pointless ignition (volvo 66)
Posted: 16 Aug 2009 05:02 am
by Tero Huikko
This is not exactly so...
If you think of the advance curve and why pinking happens it means that 123's curve is pretty much the same at 2000-4500rpm range. The vacuum curve is more agressive thus making the same amount of advance at same amount of rpm = results the same engine output and advantages.
I'd say that advance at driving rpm's are quite the same now and that's what really counts. Not the basic idle advance without vacuum.
Other thing is that if I made a total overhaul to the carb it might work better and possibly work fine at 6 degs.