Car tax rebuttal

Post by **filthyjohn** » 22 Jun 2007 01:53 pm

Just got this from the Prime Minister (we used to go out drinking together).

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page12025.asp

Post by **Chris_C** » 22 Jun 2007 01:54 pm

Yeah, what a *%$£ing cop out.

Post by **trabitom99** » 22 Jun 2007 03:24 pm

The environment is always a great excuse for squeezing more money out of the motorist.

Oh well, at least steam powered road rollers and traction engines are exempt. What a relief ...

Post by **petefarrell360** » 22 Jun 2007 04:13 pm

Yeah, received one myself, (however I'd never go drinking with him!)

glanced at it in disgust. Typicial, we can't win. They make the rules up as they go along to suit themselves.

Pete

Post by **filthyjohn** » 23 Jun 2007 12:55 am

I'm gonna build a 300mph steam powered battering ram and drive it through big ben. That'll teach the bastards.

Post by **trabitom99** » 23 Jun 2007 11:20 am

Post by **jtbo** » 23 Jun 2007 02:02 pm

Here goverment is trying to jump into greenleech wagon too, my diesel running costs are exepted to rise about 4500€/year if all those changes will happen and what we have learned from infamous lex karpela, those will happen, no matter how absurd are laws and no matter how common sense is against them.

Maybe should move to France, at least I could use some bio fuel there, which still is not possible in this country as you will need to pay HUGE taxes, mening nobody can't afford them.

Electric car? Sure, pay diesel tax for that and you can use one.

Actually tax for diesel cars is going to be removed and diesel fuel price is about to raise 0.30-0.40€/ litre and later yet more 10% is planned.
Good bye economy, Finland has digged grave to itself, everything is delivered by diesel powered trucks here and diesel costs now around 1€/litre, maybe bit less in some stations, bit over in others.
Already we have a problem that labour costs are very high, when diesel price is raised such much, everything in shops are going to cost as much more, this directly relates to labour costs too.

Yet one group that barely manages to live today are not going to make it in future, healthcare is going to have big problems as there is nobody that could afford to work as going to work costs so much that there actually is no reality.

Maybe I really should start to take french lessons, looks like Finland and UK are both as crazy now.

Post by **foggyjames** » 23 Jun 2007 11:54 pm

Yeah...that sucks. Did anyone point out the massive environmental implications of building new cars?

cheers

James

Post by MJ » 24 Jun 2007 12:04 pm

They probably didn't think of that

If Blair carries on like this, I bet he'll be out of a job in no time

Post by **foggyjames** » 24 Jun 2007 12:11 pm

With a sentiment like that, I'd give him until Wednesday actually MJ...

cheers

James

Post by **Chris_C** » 24 Jun 2007 06:23 pm

trabitom99 wrote:Oh well, at least steam powered road rollers and traction engines are exempt. What a relief ...

Nought wrong with steam

And they all know about the cost enviromentally of making a new car, it's just they get a lovely cut of new car import and sales tax, or a boost to the British economy in terms of Honda etc who manufacture over here. They want people to buy new cars, it makes economic sense for the country I'm afraid

Post by **ajdubas** » 25 Jun 2007 12:43 am

jtbo wrote:diesel costs now around 1€/litre, maybe bit less in some stations, bit over in others.

I'd love to pay 1 euro / litre on fuel. I don't know what current conversion rates are like but I'm guessing I pay closer to the 1 euro 50 mark per litre

Everyone likes to blame old cars for being environmentally unfriendly; but they're not compared to the footprint of making a new car. But reading between the lines, what they're really saying is:

"The government is shit at managing its money and therefore needs money and so is going the tax the f*** out of motorists because they will either have to pay or walk"

That's my own personal view, anyway.

Post by **Ronnie** » 25 Jun 2007 09:26 am

ajdubas wrote:"The government is shit at managing its money and therefore needs money and so is going the tax the f*** out of motorists because they will either have to pay or walk"

Well put, it's not like public transport is a viable option

Post by **ajdubas** » 27 Jun 2007 01:31 am

In the countryside, public transport is ridiculously bad. What takes about 1h30 to drive would take the best part of a day to do by public transport and you can forget a day return journey, the buses will have stopped running by the time you arrive back at the nearest train station. Of course, it's then only about 1h40 to walk from the train station to my house.

Post by **jtbo** » 28 Jun 2007 12:44 am

ajdubas wrote:
jtbo wrote:diesel costs now around 1€/litre, maybe bit less in some stations, bit over in others.
I'd love to pay 1 euro / litre on fuel. I don't know what current conversion rates are like but I'm guessing I pay closer to the 1 euro 50 mark per litre

Everyone likes to blame old cars for being environmentally unfriendly; but they're not compared to the footprint of making a new car. But reading between the lines, what they're really saying is:

"The government is shit at managing its money and therefore needs money and so is going the tax the f*** out of motorists because they will either have to pay or walk"

That's my own personal view, anyway.

I'm diesel guy, gasoline is around 1.40€ / litre here now, but at autumn it is about to raise 10% and when diesel fuel taxes are changed that will cost perhaps 1.60€/litre or so.

Public transport? It is not possible to go some places where I'm going because of work with public transport, there are no buses or trains going to such directions at all. And if they do it would mean that to get someplace it would mean 2 days or more of travel and that would cost more than I get paid.

Besides if all of us that are doing job I'm doing would use buses then there would not be enough luggage space on bus, I carry 15 computers, printer and projector with me all time, sometimes I can have even more computers with me, would love to see some green hippie to do this for one year with their nice ideas

At monday I need to be about 900km north from here and whole lot stuff with me, food, clothes etc for two weeks, computers and all kind of material.
I do search for bus routes and web page says there is no matching routes, right let's see about train then, well well, there is no railway tracks to that part of country yet, maybe I need to wait few years

So I would need to make part of my trip by train and part of trip by bus and final part by taxi or then I should carry all my stuff with me bit over 1km. Whole cost of this would be 120 euros and it would take around 13 hours to travel that, so not really that bad, only problem is that by own car I would be 2 hours faster there and it will cost only half from that price, actually bit less and I would then get from door to door with all my stuff and my food would be kept cold in my car fridge.
Also daily 1.4km between sleeping quarters and workplace is much more pleasant to drive as I need to carry some stuff with me every day.

Well how about then last place where I were, it is quite near here, only 45km to travel, by bus it seems to be that I would had arrived 1 hour and 30 minutes late every day but I had to leave 2 hours early from there, my boss would not been too happy about that I think

There is many places where you can go by public transport but many where you cant and at best timing is quite bad, it is funny how they still keep those ancient old buses polluting as there is only 5 or less people on board and such bus drinks quite lot of fuel and that means quite lot of emissions too, I'm sure it would be better if those people would drive their cars or used some other mean of transportation.

But for some public transport really does work, specially near big cities it is great and even greater that would be if those would work with electricity or something similar.

I believe that our government is bit blind as it is true that near Helsinki where our government members do reside is area where public transport does work and where too many drive without real need, but that is only minor part of this country, we don't have traffic jams anywhere in this country, except perhaps in near Helsinki, still they are proposed road taxes to help traffic jams...

I have voted different people that did know how this system should be improved, but no, majority did choose these morons.

Our government is also not going to free biofuels from extra taxes, so in practise those are not worth to consider. Also driving electric car seem not to get cheaper in future, so it is still much more expensive to run than old gasoline V8

It is funny how our government tries to direct consuming by increasing some cost, not by lowering some others, perhaps they have not been marketing school or don't actually know anything about customer behaviour, which directly relates to how people will act in such situation. People will think that f*ck it about environment and as they need to pay more they do make sure they get all pollution used for that money.

It is so little one men can do for all this, it is socialistic woman run chaos that this is, common sense is thrown out of window and economy is sacrificed for some feeling based decisions.