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Post by 5150 » 07 Aug 2007 07:46 pm

Do you think the owners of brand-new Volvos look down their noses at us lot?

In another 20 years, we'll be driving almost vintage cars - and they'll be the ones on www.volvoS40mania.com, searching for lumbar support adjusters and prop shafts! :P

I did get The Nod from an S80 driver a few weeks ago, though, so I guess some of them are OK!
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Post by trabitom99 » 07 Aug 2007 09:42 pm

In Bonn we have two Volvo main dealers. One I tend to avoid, mainly because I'm made to feel awkward ordering my air and fuel filters next to a guy who's putting his Range Rover in for a valeting. The other place is smaller & there are several older Volvos about (mainly 700 / 900s), and they're always happy to get the VADIS DVD loaded, find out part numbers for me & to inform me the bits I want are now discontinued.

Here, Volvo owners have no idea what my car is anyway, so they don't look down on it :-)

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Post by filthyjohn » 08 Aug 2007 07:58 pm

Everyone looks down their nose at me, but that's not always down to the car!
I actually rather enjoy being pitied by every other motorist, and feel no real need to compare salaries. I can't take anyone seriously if they're driving a new car, as I know they owe the bank big time for the dubious privilege of being the first mug on the V5. To me, buying new indicates deep-seated personal insecurity and almost criminal money wasting.

Sorry, got carried away a bit there. :lol:
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Post by MJ » 08 Aug 2007 08:33 pm

I don't see the problem with people buying new cars, after all, if no one bought new cars, their wouldn't be any second hand ones :)

I don't however see the point in having to take out a loan for one as it costs so much more. If you can buy a new car outright, great, if you can't, why not just buy something second-hand and avoid going into debt.

Also buying a new car every couple years seems like a terrible waste of money, but if you can afford it I won't stop you. If your going to buy a new car and keep it for the next 20 years that makes sense. You can run it in gently and you know it should run for years without much trouble. If you buy a car that's a couple years old, who knows what the first owner did. If they could afford a new car that regularly there's no need to look after a car, as they won't be paying when things go wrong!
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Post by jtbo » 08 Aug 2007 09:02 pm

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Post by classicswede » 09 Aug 2007 10:20 pm

I don not take any notice of ppl with more money than sense! A new car is such a waste of money but I suppose some succer has to or other wise where would the old bangers come form in 15 years time :lol:
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Post by ajdubas » 10 Aug 2007 07:48 am

I drive a car, not a status symbol ;) and while the newer volvos are nice, I prefer my 300 by miles. It just has so much more character and simplicity.

Oh, and I do feel a lot more comfortable rallying a car I can afford to replace.

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Post by mac » 10 Aug 2007 08:50 am

So many true words!

I tend to think that people buy new cars for several reasons, firstly to display the latest reg.no. on their driveway, secondly to show that they can - ultimately both these reasons are actually the same, i.e. so they can feel superior! A third reason (mainly more elderly drivers) would be for the perceived security and reliability of a brand new product (this reason at least makes some sort of sense).

So yes 5150 SOME "new Ford, sorry Volvo owners" do look down on 300 drivers and yes there are a good few in the VOC too (as a long term member of the VOC it seems to me that a good few are members so they can say they are members) but life really does take all sorts.

If I am honest I am in the lucky position of being able to afford a new "Volvo" but I choose to stick with my 900 (I would rather spend an obscene amount of money on that than buy new).

Yes I know"I" have a C70 as well but that's "she who must be obeyeds" car
and women have different logic rules (she bought it with her dosh). At least she bought it as a three year old when it had lost 50% of its value.
Who the hell can justify loosing £16k in three years for the sake of the latest number plate?.

And you have a point John - people who set status by wallet size must have some major insecurities.

The other problem is that a good proportion of cars in general a purchased on credit (increasing the ownership cost by a huge amount). This bearded old fart reckons that if you have to use credit, you can't afford to buy!!
(yes there are always exceptions but in general I hate owing anyone anything).

I agree with you Tom that some dealers are their own worst enemies (usually the big glossy main dealer chains) in putting down the owners of older cars - they do not know what the future holds - todays 300 owner may be tomorrows fleet owner!

Oh well, morning rant over.

All the best to everyone - Mac.

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Post by Chris_C » 10 Aug 2007 12:45 pm

ajdubas wrote:I drive a car, not a status symbol ;) and while the newer volvos are nice, I prefer my 300 by miles. It just has so much more character and simplicity.

Oh, and I do feel a lot more comfortable rallying a car I can afford to replace.
Can you afford to replace a very very non rusty Mk2 ;) At least it's not too mint!
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Post by jtbo » 10 Aug 2007 12:50 pm

Hehe, I could get new car too (albeit, with credit now, in year or two without), but for something I need at work to deliver me from A to B I certainly am not putting loads of money, for hobby car then, there just is no point of getting new one, you can't mod engine and all of them are ugly FWDs anyway :lol:

Also for car I use to get from A to B I do require some safety and handling that follows some logic, throttle = oversteer, braking = understeer, plain and simple :D
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Post by trabitom99 » 10 Aug 2007 01:46 pm

mac wrote:Yes I know"I" have a C70 as well but that's "she who must be obeyeds" car and women have different logic rules (she bought it with her dosh). At least she bought it as a three year old when it had lost 50% of its value.
Who the hell can justify loosing £16k in three years for the sake of the latest number plate?.
I have to admit to liking the C70 (the first generation, not the Ford-based Coupé - Cabrio). I saw it in "The Saint" (1997 Val Kilmer, not Roger Moore / P1800) the other day - a nice design which I think will age gracefully!

And the C30 is "interesting" to say the least.

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Post by petefarrell360 » 15 Aug 2007 11:30 pm

So many wise words. John says some spot on things like, "I actually rather enjoy being pitied by every other motorist, and feel no real need to compare salaries." I can't recall how many times someone has asked why I haven't got a better car, why I don't get a better car, why I can't afford a better car, made fun of me having an old car etc etc as it happens so much. Most people would give in to peer pressure and feel obliged to conform to accepted standards just because everyone else does. I'm not a sheep, I don't follow, I enjoy being different. If someone has to judge me by what I'm driving because it isn't new and shiny, meaning I'm poor and unacceptable to them, then I have no wish to socialise with them!

Like Mac says, let some other sucker lose the money on buying the car new. If they feel they need to prove to their neighbours they have lots of money etc by displaying a new car on their drive, let them get on with it! I do things for my enjoyment and for practical reasons. I could go out tomorrow and buy a brand new car, something with no character, I'd be unable to service it, play with it and do anything to it due to all the electrics and covers, and I'd lose a lot of money on it. No thanks!

I've had some drivers mention, oh I USED to have one of those, in a "Oh it's so outdated and rubbish now, how can I even admit to owning such a car, oh I pity you," sort of way! And quite frankly, I couldn't care less! Infact, things like that often make me chuckle and feel glad that I'm different.

Most people don't even know what a 300 is, and as Tom said in another thread, people think you mean V40 instead of 340. I get the comment of trying to make a good one out of all of them then, due to the amount of 300's I have. Erm no, the main two are MOT'd, taxed and insured, the other is awaiting some tuning fun. I

The other thing that annoys me is if you ever stop anywhere and check under the bonnet, people always make comments like, oh the oold banger gone wrong again, what's broken now etc. It's called maintenance, I'm either checking oil and water etc, or doing some simple checks. I often get such comments everytime I work on my car at my workshop, oh what's wrong now!? My reply never changes, I call it maintenance.

I like being the only car in a carpark that is over 4 years old. At least mine doesn't stand out for someone wanting to steal a new car! I was at a sporting even about a month ago and realised there wasn't a car there that was over 5 years old other than mine. Most of those people wouldn't judge me on my car, as I know them and they know more about me than first impressions give, but several would, and I think it's stupid.

The only thing that driving an older car does give you is it makes you more approachable by drivers of other older cars, as we tend to stick together. I had a lady in a 400 come up to me in a petrol station, as I was driving the 360, as she was worried about a reading on the dash, and thought I might be able to help. It was the info centre reading the outside temp and because it was approaching freezing it was flashing or displaying something she hadn't seen before. Would you get anything like that happen with a newer car, I doubt it.

Back to the original question! In 20 years time, I personally don't think there will be the same quantities of older cars about as there are 300's in this day and age. Purely because we are becoming such a throw away society. So, there will probably be a big gap appear between classics and current cars and cars of the 80's like the 300 will be one of the last cars that might make classic status in any numbers.

As companies like Ford stop supplying parts for cars over ten years old, this will get shorter and shorter, so won't encourage anyone to keep a car either.

I don't think we can generalise too much, it all comes down to each person and their own thoughts and ideas. I mean some are company cars to present an image. Others are just because they can, like Mac says, for safety features, reliability and reassurance etc.

However I've noticed that a lot of current 300 drivers won't acknowledge you, or don't respect that you actually like the car, they are using it as a cheap runaround, they may be forced to buy a cheap car, and assume it is the same for you. So they see you as being in the same boat.

My way more than 2 pence worth!

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Post by V6 Man » 15 Aug 2007 11:39 pm

trabitom99 wrote:
And the C30 is "interesting" to say the least.

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No it isn't - it's a hyped up, impractical pile of junk that was made to fill a non existant gap in the so called market. Assar Gabrielsson and Gustaf Larson must be spinning in their graves.
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Post by Chris_C » 16 Aug 2007 02:09 am

V6 Man wrote:
trabitom99 wrote:
And the C30 is "interesting" to say the least.

Tom
No it isn't - it's a hyped up, impractical pile of junk that was made to fill a non existant gap in the so called market. Assar Gabrielsson and Gustaf Larson must be spinning in their graves.
From the outside it looks awesome imho, but then again I thought that of the 480. After driving a few however...

Pete, I agree with most of that mate, very true indeed. Got a phone call from a mate with a MG ZR a month or two ago... thing had died. Every kind person who stopped to help thought the Volvo had broken down... and then all but one p*ssed themselves laughing when they sussed it was the MG, and all gave a comment of how they should have expected it.

Tbh, when I drive a practical car that fits my driving style as much as a 300, I'll probably bail. Thing is, I've driven *looses count of different types of car* lets say lots. The only things that are more fun to drive are less practical in some way, either a proper 2 seater coupe (and I mean proper... not a platform nicked from a saloon), which the kites won't fit in, or it's been older that the 300, and harder to use as a daily. I've come back from Swindon before, which is M4, A34 and M3, all boring straight roads, and had a big grin on my face with the 300's. What else does that for a ton?

When the manufactures starts making cars that handle again, I'll seriously think about a new car. As it is... I'm not going on a waiting list for a beemer (even if I could afford it :P) and nothing else ticks the boxes. Shame all round I guess. However, I wouldn't worry about the classic status of new cars... when was the last time you saw a concours guy actually drive their car?! :lol:
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Post by jtbo » 16 Aug 2007 08:42 am

We got good laughs recently as I needed to shift some stuff from brick's trunk (sedan) to co worker's Korean made wagon, well half did fit, after that we needed to fold rear seats :P

Also if you need dump the body, you can get couple into brick's trunk but again Korean wonder needs rear seats to be folded :lol:

I have not looked into new Volvo's trunks, but I have heard those are not much better.

300 sure has bit smaller trunk, but I think it still beats many today's wagons.

I don't think that we need to wait 20 years to see old cars gone, those are gotten rid of because 'it is better for environment' :roll:

But I'm going to stick old RWD cars as long as it is possible, if it come to it that I can't drive them anymore, I'm going to get small Volvo Truck then and put living quarters on back of it, then going to stop paying taxes until I see good old rwd cars are going back to road :D
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