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general turbo questions, help needed

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hey all.
i know dont post enough on here, but i need help from the powers that be.

recently damaged the head on my b200k and have been looking at a cheap replacement fr the engine as heads are costing almost as much.

i have the oppertunity to purchase what i believe to be a 940 turbo b230 engine relitively cheap withh all the gubbins to accompany it.

question is, (and yes ive done a search, realy dosent like the word turbo.)
will the 940 engine mate up to the gearbox/ clutch exc. or do i have to purchase anything else.

any information will be much apprieciated.
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It will fit the bellhousing ok, but there will be other problems, oilsump does not fit, need to use 360 sump and also need to use oil pickup from 360, water pump and fan, were 940's with electric fan already? There was also something else, pretty much all same applies as with any b230 engine conversion.

edit: http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum-uk/v ... =13&t=9672

UK members have added difficulties with steering and brake servo being on turbo side of engine.
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So am I right in thinking that the bellhousing will needyo be modified to accept the new ignition pick up as well as changing the flywheel?
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madseb wrote:So am I right in thinking that the bellhousing will needyo be modified to accept the new ignition pick up as well as changing the flywheel?
I don't know if it is good idea to use 360's ignition as ignition map will not be very well suited for the engine. Also I think you could use 360 bellhousing?
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I would be using the ecu supplied with the engine. I think the turbo engines run an injection system so I would also have to modify my fuel system to work as it's a carb.
So there would be no problems with the existing flywheel or bellhousong on my engine? B200k if I were to swap the lump to a b230ft?
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Yes, you'll have to use a 'flat' flywheel from a 900 series Volvo with M46/7 gearbox running Bosch Lh2.4 management (assuming this is the management you intend on using) as the timing markings are different. The dual mass flywheel fitted to M90 (5 speed late 1994 onwards) equipped 940 will not fit in the 360 bellhousing.

You'll have to adapt the 360 bellhousing slightly to mount the 940 crank position sensor. If converting to injection you'll also have to come up with an electric fuel pump solution and run new high pressure fuel lines. Perhaps fitting a GLT fuel tank and pump might be an option?
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Ahhh the awnsers I was after.
If the engine I'm purchasing were to come with a flywheel would that be up to the job. Also what sort of clutch should I e looking at dropping in.
Apart from allege problems mentioned, will alm the engine mounts line up or will some fabrication be required?
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AFAIK, You need a new RHS engine mount at least, as the current 360 one does not allow space for the turbo. Some have created new mounts to move the turbo up. I'm thinking about using the 940 sit on mount, but not sure if the Engine side bracket will fit, may need Engine side and chassis side brackets.

I am doing other rust repair work at the moment so havn't moved on to the Engine which is sitting in a spare 940 around the side of the house. I don't see problems with servo/brakes/non-PS steering at the moment, maybe just brake lines need routed and shielded.

Clutch, you can use the 360 plate with older LH2.4 ignition compatible non-dual mass flywheel, well what I plan to use initially anyway, may not be brilliant. Sachs have a good web site to search sizes of all dimensions/spine counts etc. The clutch shaft splines/drive are all different between models of 940, and all different to the 360. Search my posts you can find more information.

The flywheel sensor BTW mounts on the 940 block, so you just need a cutout in the 360 bell housing to clear it. Or you could try and make a bracket like the 360 one to clamp onto the sensor, not sure if the bellhousing holes will line up with the new flywheel though.
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a much informative awnser, thanks for your reply
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