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Post by JohnP » 01 Dec 2005 03:45 pm

Hi all,

A few years back I owned a 84 360 GLS which got bought as an interim car to do me for a month until an insurance claim got sorted. It ended up doing 10,000 miles in 6 months before failing it's MoT on a huge amount of welding.

Anyway, my wife is after a cheap sturdy runabout for a year or so, and rather liked the way that the old Volvo could overtake other cars while costing less than their stereos.... :) So I've just test driven a 1989 360 GLT injection and I've a couple of questions.

The first is that the engine was very sluggish while warming up. Once warm it pulled well. Now I suspect this is probably due to the car having been sitting outside for a month or so, with very little petrol in it. However I wondered if anyone else has seen something similar and whether the fuel injected models were more prone to this?

The second is that I drove it down a roughish lane and it seemed quite bouncy... I can't actually remember how spongy the suspension was on my old 360 (other than it was a bit...), as it was 5 years ago and I've spent the last 4 years in a Saab 9000 (which drove much better over the same bit of road). Anyone know a good way of checking the shock absorbers other than bouncing the suspension up and down?

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John

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Post by SteveP » 01 Dec 2005 03:57 pm

Hi John,

It seems to be a bit of a common problem with the injection cars. sluggishness whilst warming up. Different cars tend to do it to a different extent, my old car was a bit rougher when cold than my second GLT. No-one has really got to the bottom of it, but it seems to be something within the injection system wears over time.

300s are quite bouncy - but new shocks make a huge difference. The ride quality is actually quite good with this remedied. It'll probably still pass MOT's with soggy shocks however - and most cars get this way.
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Post by SoLaMaNdA » 01 Dec 2005 04:23 pm

I agree about the shocks, my older higher mileage 360 was awful. The current one is much better but still not 'great'. Still beats a few new mercs I've been in! :shock:

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Post by Chris_C » 01 Dec 2005 05:02 pm

Sluggishness on start up is down to something going on with the jet-tronic injection, mine had it, but it should clear very quickly (mine took about 2-3mins at a guess). Most rear shocks are knackered on a 300, I got some Monroes from Ebay for around £20 inc postage, they are around quite often, and it took me (I'm not reknown for mechanical stuff) 90mins to an hour to do the pair, so a garage wouldn't charge much. I need to do my other 300's rear shocks now, as I did the one I don't drive that often...
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Post by JohnP » 01 Dec 2005 05:54 pm

Thanks for the quick response folks. I may try another quick test drive before parting with any cash to see if it was just from sitting a while.

You may be hearing more from me.....

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John

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Post by pettaw » 01 Dec 2005 10:20 pm

The Le-jetronic injection has a design fault. It over richens the fuel mixture on cold start. The car runs rough for about 30 seconds from a cold start, revving makes no difference, just have to leave it to settle in.

If its sluggish to DRIVE when cold for a few minutes, then its because the head has got coked up and it needs a thorough decoking. Many B200Es have this problem, IMO because along with the cold start problem, the Le-Jetronic finds it terribly easy to dump loads of fuel into the engine, over richening the fuel mixture at a moment's notice.

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Post by petefarrell360 » 01 Dec 2005 11:10 pm

Well explained Andy. The 360 fuel injected models are often rough on start up. My old one was terrible, try and drive it and it was sluggish, but once warmed up it was fine. My newer, lower milage is better, but not 100%, but it's drivable and it's not normally noticable from start up.

Steve is spot on with the shocks. My old car felt very stodgy, soggy and deflated, and bumps were nasty, but as it wasn't particularly great when I got it, I knew no different, and it deteriorated over time as well, so when I got my new GLT it was a whole new experience, a much tighter and firmer ride. They are still rather bouncy cars.

Hopefully we'll be hearing more from you, and as a 300 owner!

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Post by foggyjames » 02 Dec 2005 01:25 am

Welcome!

I'm not 100% sure that the LE-Jet overfuelling problem was a factory fault - I just don't think they could get away with something that low-quality from new. Andy has come up with a modification which seems to greatly improve the situation. The question is....is it a fix for the original problem, or a work-around for a fault?

I have my suspicions that something degrades over time (almost certainly an electrical connection or 10), causing this problem. My friends 740 Turbo with Motronic (virtually identical, but controls spark too) stopped doing this exact same thing after he rebuilt the wiring loom in the engine bay, and extensively cleaned the grounds.

Maybe some experimentation with a wideband is called for Andy :D

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Post by JohnP » 05 Dec 2005 12:16 pm

Hi all,

Thanks again for the replies, had a think about things and my wife bought a mk2 VW Polo instead. Mainly as it's going to be cheaper to tax, insure and run...

Anyway, I don't know what the etiquette is here as, to giving details of car dealers (which I have no connection with BTW) , but if anyone is after a 360GLT with 12 months MoT on for £375 (although the bloke indicated take £300 with no negotiation, so you could probably start considerably lower) near Northampton, then PM me. Or if I'm just being over cautious, I can post the contact details on this thread.

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John

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Post by SteveP » 05 Dec 2005 12:27 pm

Does this happen to be a white GLT? I think it was on Autotrader the other week. I'm sure theres no problem listing it, there are a few people after 360s at the moment.
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Post by JohnP » 06 Dec 2005 11:35 am

Yep it a white GLT, and it's at BT Cars in Horton, which is a couple of miles south of Northampton.

http://www.btcars.co.uk/27341/btcars.htm

It's not on their stock list on the website, and I'd phone before setting out to make sure someone is there.

As I said it seemed a pretty reasonable motor other than the stuttering when cold. The interior seemed nice and clean, it had about 100,000 miles on it, and all the electrical gizmos seemed to work. A little cosmetic rust, but nothing serious. The only other thing was the exhaust was blowing, which would be fixed before going for the new MoT.

I'd also like to say, what a nice friendly forum. Great to be made to feel welcome. 8)

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John

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Post by 340GLT » 06 Dec 2005 02:44 pm

All 300 owners are welcome!!!
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