Fitting a B200ET (740) in a 360?? is it possible?

Post by **danielvanderwoude** » 26 Feb 2007 04:50 pm

Hello all!

I am the happy owner of a red volvo 360 (white wheels) from Holland, B200 engine.

There is a B200ET for sale in Belgium, comes of a 744 from 1986. no intercooler and hoses unfortunately.

I would like to start this project and enjoy the turbo fun in a 360, probably keeping it stock with 160 bhp, it saves brake and driveline upgrades.
I read about the 2.3 turbo engines has some clearance problems on the right side.. will the 2.0 turbo has this same "problem"? Is this the engine with the smaller (mitshubishi) turbo?

I hope you guys can help me on the way with information and experience...

I have the space and I think mechanical talent to get the job sorted, I need you to help me with information and tips and trics though!

how to deal with:
- turbo space (right engine mount)
- exhaust (hand made?)
- wiring / electrical / ecu
- intercooler and hoses

Hope to be able to start this project with help of you!

Daniel

Post by **haak** » 27 Feb 2007 07:30 pm

You would have some trouble getting enough space for the 740 intercooler anyway. It's pretty high, look in front of your radiator and you'll see what I mean.

Post by **IvanAE86** » 27 Feb 2007 08:51 pm

I have been looking into the solutions people come up with...should be easy to fit this engine in.

The newer turbo manifolds fit without modifying the right engine mount.
If you get the older manifold like I have, you need to make yourself a mount (which doesnt look very difficult..I have some pics of dennis hafkamp's custom mount that I can email you if you want.

electronics: get all the 740 stuff and make it fit. Usually the engine and body electronics are separated a bit so it shouldnt be too difficult.
Otherwise get yourself megasquirt/VEMS, but it will be more involving to make yourself a wiring loom.

intercooler: I got myself a small volvo 440 one, but I fear it is a bit too small for my B21ET.. low&wide intercoolers have been used with some succes though (dennis hafkamp again, and the driftproject here on v3m)
might take some modifying of your bumper, but nothing that would look drastic.

exhaust: You need a downpipe (elbow piece) and something to connect it to the rest of the exhaust, or ideally a big wide pipe custom made going to the back.
If your in south holland/north belgium I can get you the address of a guy that makes excellent exhausts for about 200-300 euro's from the manifold to the back including the damper.

You'll also need to swap the oilpan off the b200 onto the turbo engine since it needs to fit over the crossmember..you'll need to make a fitting on it for the turbo's oil return.

That's about all I have gathered so far.. I need to tear apart my engine and rebuild it first before I can start since it's been sitting ìn the yard for over a year already..

Post by **340cbr** » 28 Feb 2007 12:20 am

IvanAE86, do you have photos of the 400 IC fitted in the car?

Post by **IvanAE86** » 28 Feb 2007 05:44 pm

Nope, never even tried it on (since it's stored 150km's away from the car).
I think it'll work, it has one side exit, and one that's ment to curve over or under the radiator, so it sits at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the intercooler.
Intercooler plumbing will be a bit of a drag though. If worse comes to worse, I'll just get another intercooler, or try to top-mount it where the battery used to be and make a hoodscoop for it..

Post by **Chris_C** » 28 Feb 2007 06:00 pm

Problem with the 400 one is it's so deep, from memory when I offered mine up it looked like I'd have to cut the valance. The fact I didn't chuck it and it's still in my garage means I must have had a plan, but I can't remember it!

Post by **IvanAE86** » 28 Feb 2007 08:55 pm

is there a difference between 440 and 480 intercoolers?
The 440 one is not very deep, only one of the exits pokes in a bit, which would be perfect for mounting it right in front of the radiator..

But I cant really judge without holding it in my hand and trying it out.

Dont mind grinding away a little here and there since I just gopt myself a nice MIG welder. I'll just reinforce whatever I change.

Post by **classicswede** » 28 Feb 2007 08:55 pm

The worst bit of it is the way the pipes come out of the 400 series one.

Post by **Chris_C** » 01 Mar 2007 02:06 am

Looking at a 440T in the scrappy last week, I don't think there is any difference. The top oval pipe is a tad special...

Post by **Ali** » 01 Mar 2007 10:23 am

Just use a Frontera TDI one, fits really nicely for lining up with the holes on the car and now i've refitted my front bumper and grill you really can't see it unless your looking for it

Post by **Chris_C** » 01 Mar 2007 10:30 am

Yeah, Sotons all out of Frontera TDs at the mo...

Post by **SteveP** » 01 Mar 2007 10:33 am

+1 for a Frontera TDI intercooler, it's not worth the hassle making much else fit unles you go for crazy power and need more surface area. You're not gonna find a better fit than the Frontera one unless you go custom

Post by **danielvanderwoude** » 01 Mar 2007 10:46 pm

thanks for the reply`s!

How do you know if the engine (b200et) will fit without the engine-mount problem? how do you know if you have the new or old type?

still my biggest concern is the wiring, its not a matter of replacing the ecu, is it?

Post by **IvanAE86** » 01 Mar 2007 11:07 pm

Frontera's are a very hard to find at the scrappy here in the netherlands, 440's are much more common, but who knows, I might have to sell the damn intercooler again.

You can recognise the type of engine you're dealing with by the exhaust manifold. The older engines have a log manifold with the collector to the turbo going straight down in the middle. The later models have the collector pointing towards the back a little, and are a bit more curvy.
I've only heard this will work without modification to the mounts.. I dont
know for certain.
I feel that if fabricating something as simple as an engine mount is too difficult for you to do/arrange, then you may be better of staying away from the turbo engine, since that mount is relatively simple compared to some of the other work required.

About the ECU, If it where me, I'd get the entire engine loom for the turbo engine, and connect it to as much of the original 360 wiring as possible.
It's not rocket-science, but it takes patience and some insight in electronics (reeaaallly basic actually).

I also doubt that the stock fuelpump will deliver enough fuel for a turbo engine, but that's one of those things you need to test to find out.
In stock form you might just have enough flow from the original pump, but if you dont, it will run lean when used heavily, and possibly destroy your engine.

Post by **Ali** » 02 Mar 2007 02:20 pm

danielvanderwoude wrote:How do you know if the engine (b200et) will fit without the engine-mount problem? how do you know if you have the new or old type?

The new type manifold is a lot more rounded and has the smaller mitsi 13c turbo rather than the garrett T3