360 engine change

[yungwun]

im planning to start my engine change soon, but i need a few bits, i was just wondering if any1 could help? iv got a 940 turbo lump to put in ther and im quess im goin to need a new fuel pump,intercooler,fly wheel, engine mounts and exhaust, anything else??? and where can i get the parts from

cheers james

[classicswede]

A scrap turbo car is what you need for most of the bits. The exhaust will have to be a 1 off. I can help you out with that if you can get the car over this way.

[foggyjames]

You'll need to swap the oil pump, sump, and waterpump from the 360's engine. What are you doing about engine management? You'll need that too, of course!

Other than that, you seem to be on the right lines. Some other folk have used an intercooler from a Frontera.

cheers

James

[Chris_C]

Frontera cooler seems to make the best sense, 306/405 ones have a flipping stupid connector and are smaller anyway... most of the other stuff I've measured is tiny The only other useful sized and resonably priced one that seems to be around is the 480 one, but thats way to deep, and not wide enough (and can't be rotated and fitted either!)

[foggyjames]

An intercooler isn't something I've thought about a huge amount yet...mainly because I know the Frontera one will fit and work ok-ish if all else fails.

My dilemma....I'm going to have an AC condensor to fit in too, and I want something in the airstream, which a Frontera one isn't. I'll end up playing with the "small" Iveco Eurocargo one, which looks a promising size...but I suspect I'll end up with something custom(ish). If it was a mk2, I'd probably cut out the front valance and fit one "FMIC" style.

cheers

James

[Chris_C]

Yeah, I've been thinking abou tthe AC condensor too, but looking at Andy's car, the OEM one would be ok with a frontera cooler. As to getting air to it, I'm going to play with a 200 front air dam under the bonnet, measured Brians (minesa240x3 from the VOC) at a meet some time last year. See what that can look like with the bodykit valance.

[yungwun]

iv got the ecu ant wiring loom aswel from the 940 turbo then engine came out of. why do i have to swap oil pump sump and water pump off the 360 engine? im getting an inter cooler off one of my mates nissan 200sx and goin to make it fit lol.

cheers james

[Fuse]

360 water pump isn't necessary, a pump from a bigger Volvo fill fit too, even with the viscous fan.

The sump and the oil pump are needed from a 360 because the sump design in bigger Volvos is totally different. (Front beam&steering rack are in differen't places) so a sump from a bigger Volvo won't fit in 360. And the 360 oilsump need's it's own oilpump too.

What comes to intercoolers, chinese made "ebay-coolers" have the best bang for buck ratio and cooling capabilites are enough for most setups. Here's my post with measured data about those intercoolers in the turbobricks forum:

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthrea ... ost1528770

I've got one of the small cores available in mine and it works great. A bigger core would've fit easily, but that would've required to have the tank ends rewelded because I wan't to use stock holes in the front wall and the cooling capabilites are enough for my current needs.

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[foggyjames]

I'm quite confused by your comments regarding the waterpump. I looked at the two (360 and 2/7/900) side-by-side last night, and not only is the 360 pump shorter, but (and I didn't realise this) the flange for the fan is different...meaning you'd have to use a 2/7/900 fan with the 2/7/900 pump. Given the extra length on the shaft of the coupling, and the larger fan blades (does the 360 fan bolt to the 2/7/900 coupling?), it must be 50mm further forwards, at least, leaving it very close to the radiator...if not touching.

The only other thing I can think of is that B19 cars had a different water pump (different hole layout on the block), and it appears from the fitment guides that the B19 pump used on 360s was the same as that used for 2/7/900s. Your information doesn't come from a B19 car, does it? I think the situation may be different between B19 and B200 360s.

Can you confirm exactly which setup - which pump, which coupling, which fan, and which engines/cars - this has been tested on?

cheers

James

[Fuse]

Ok my mistake, I thought about B19/21/23-series pumps because I'm 100% sure Makkiver has had few B23 blocks with their stock pumps in 360, so those should fit. He has currently a B23E block with it's original pump and viscous fan in.

Apparently B2x0-series pumps from bigger Volvos won't fit then. Maybe with the electrical fan though?

[dalahare]

I"m going to rudely hijack this thread as opposed to starting my own, but which turbo lumps fit in a 360, and which is best and which is easiest? I'n not sure of the differences bewtween the motors. I presume the 940 one would be the most refined and powerfull?

240, 740 or 940

[Fuse]

Every redblock turbo will fit. B19ET, B21ET/FT, B23ET/FT, B200ET/FT and B230ET/FT/FK

200-series had the B19ET and the B21ET/FT, 700-series had the B23ET/FT, B200ET and B230ET, 900-series had the B200FT and B230FT/FK

If you are not going with the custom engine managment, for example Megasquirt, 900-series B230FTs and FKs have the best engine managment, LH-Jetronic 2.4 There are chips available for that and with bigger injectors, bigger MAF and chip it can handle ~300hp. In some markets B230FT had LH2.2 also in pre 90 engines. There are currently no chips available for 2.2, otherwise it's quite same as the 2.4 except the ignition is triggered via HALL-sensor in the dizzy as the 2.4 has a pickup sensor at the flywheel.

200-series ET turbos had mechanical fuel injection, K-Jetronic and B21FT had the LH2.2 (or the 2.0/2.1 as the Americans got the weird version like that too)

700-series B23ET, B200ET and B230ET had the Motronic. B23FT in 700-series had LH2.2 and B200FT in 900-series (which is is quite rare engine) had LH2.4 I think. And like I said previously, some early American FT models might have something like LH2.0 or 2.1 also but I don't know anything about those.

Motronic and LH-Jetronic 2.4 needs their own flywheel for ignition, with others a 360 flywheel can be used. Of course if you go wit the custom engine managment you can use whatever flywheel you wan't.

I think best option would be B230FT or FK turbo lump from a later model 900-series, as those are equipped with LH2.4, have stronger con rods and latest models had oil squirters for pistons too. Also usually those don't have too much miles on them as they are later model.

Strong conrods (13mm) came in B230FT around '89 and '90 so anything +90 should have strong con rods. FK has always strong conrods and oilsquirters because FK came around so late. Late model FT and FK are basically same engines, only difference is in the wastegate, FK has a low boost wastegate.

Weaker (9mm) con rods can be found from so called "middle model" engines, from -85 to about -89. B200ET and B230ET have always weaker rods and earlier FT's have too.

B230ET had usually a very good 531 head but then again B230ET has always weaker cons rods. Though the weaker ones are good up to ~250hp also.

Earlier (pre-85) B19,B21 and B23 turbos aren't bad either, not at all. Very strong internals and B19ET and B23ET/FT had forged pistons too (B21ET/FT has didn't have), but those usually require a rebuild because those are older and driven more than later model engines.

So it depends about what you wan't. How much power and how much are you going to be working with the engine, are you going to just slap it on or do a rebuild etc... etc..

But hope there's some usefull info in my babbling too.. If someone notices any mistakes, please correct.

[Fuse]

Oh and of course there's the 16V redblock turbo lump too. At least Italian market had those in 700- and 900-series. B204FT/GT engines. GT was suitable for leaded fuel..

Nice engine, ~200hp stock.

[foggyjames]

It makes sense to me...there's a lot of information, so it is bound to become a bit of an essay

In a 360, more than 250bhp probably isn't particular wise (due to relatively unknown driveline strength) or necessary (250bhp/ton...) for normal road use...and almost any 2.3 Volvo turbo lump can be made to deliver 250bhp with a few carefully selected parts. I'd pick whichever engine you can find most easily in good condition. On balance, LH2.4 is probably the best management system for most users...although each has its strengths and weaknesses.

cheers

James

[Ronnie]

Remind me which B230's have the dizzy mounted at the front ala B200/B19 Stylee?